Joe Rogan Interviews Dr Steven Greer (REMOVED FROM JRE) SPECIAL PRESENTATION: THE LOST TAPE

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2:25 Speaker 1: Far away, Yeah, too far away. All right, Doctor Stephen Greer is here. We are going to get to the bottom of a lot of crazy shit, ladies and gentlemen. This is one of the most requested guests ever on the podcast Cuosing Cue the music, Brian, Let's get this thing started officially Joe Roman Podcast.

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2:53 Speaker 1: For the folks who are tuning into this ironically on serious satellite radio, they don't hear the commercial part of it, doctor Stephen Greer. If you don't know who doctor Greer is, there's a thing that a lot of people are aware of that came out. This was twenty twenty eleven, the Disclosure Project?

3:09 Speaker 2: Was it in two thousand and one?

3:12 Speaker 1: Did I say eleven?

3:12 Speaker 2: I met?

3:13 Speaker 1: One? I met right around September eleventh. That's where the eleven came from my head. Two thousand and one. It was huge in the Internet, huge point of controversy and a topic of conversation. It was you on stage introducing this Disclosure Project, explaining how much information you had access to about alien spacecraft's visiting Earth, and how many distinguished, high ranking military people, and that was where it got shocking.

3:46 Speaker 2: Agreed with you.

3:46 Speaker 1: That was where it got shocking, because that was the first time we'd ever seen like high ranking military officers, one after another, testify that they had personal encounters with things that are not of this world. People who would know the difference between black ops technology, the current military defense projects that might be secret, and people that would know also who to talk to about these things if they did think it was a black ops but they knew, and it was in my opinion that video is probably one of the most important videos ever when it comes to extraterrestrial life or the idea of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth, because the conversations that I've ever had that I've always had with rational people, especially rational people who are not obsessed by aliens like I've been my whole life, but rational people who just you know, Oh, I don't know.

4:43 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real or not. But you know, where's the evidence. I'm sure there's alien.

4:48 Speaker 2: Life out there? Has it visited us? Oh?

4:51 Speaker 1: I don't, probably not right. When you see that video and you see those high ranking military guys one after another give these very not just believable, but they're kind of they're spooky. There's are spooky stories because the way they're talking about them, you could see in their face, the emotions as they're recounting the just the shear, to use a word, alienness of their experience. We had never really seen anything like that before. It had always been well, I guess they probably could be out there, but who knows.

5:25 Speaker 1: When I watched that video, it was a real it was a real shift because it was one of the first things that ever saw that made me really stop and think. There's a part of everybody that doesn't want to get duped. And when it comes to a subject, especially an important subject like UFOs, there's a part of everybody that goes you want to call bullshit right away, because you don't want to be the last guy to call bullshit.

5:48 Speaker 2: You don't want to be the guy.

5:49 Speaker 1: Who believes, believes, believes and it turns its bullshit. Ah, you dummy, you believed it. You were the first guy believe in it. Man, you want to be the first guy to call bullshit. It's always a way cooler position. And if there was alien life, if there was alien life that had visited the earth, excuse me, what evidence would they leave behind? What would you know in your day to day existence? How much of it would you know? Almost nothing?

6:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, particularly when it's getting hovered up by a very well organized and well funded intelligence program.

6:25 Speaker 1: Including the Project Blue Book, which was run by doctor j Allen Heinek.

6:30 Speaker 5: Now that was a cover story. The Project blue Book was really a little office where they were putting things in there and making it sound like they were really investigating. Meanwhile, there was an unacknowledged project, what we call a black project, but the proper name is an unacknowledged special access project or use app, and the US apps running this have been around since the forties, very well funded, working on these issues, working on the technology, studying how these things are going from one star system to another.

6:58 Speaker 5: And that's the sort of thing that that we've been drilling down on for about twenty two years.

7:02 Speaker 1: So the Project blue Book that was run by doctor Heinick is that was his name.

7:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, doctor j Allen Heineck, Right, he was an Air Force guy astronomer that the Air Force engaged to do that. Later he came out and admitted that that was all just sort of a dog and pony show.

7:17 Speaker 1: And he also became a huge UFO believer, which is really fascinating because most of the stories that they investigated in Project blue Book he sort of debunked correct. In fact, instead of being open about the possibilities, they always steered towards debunking first, right.

7:34 Speaker 5: And actually the big problem became when he put his foot in his mouth when in Gerald Ford's home district in Michigan, there were a whole dozens of people who saw an extraterrestrial vehicle that was maneuvering at close range, and he went up and investigated and made some reference to it being swamp gas and gerald Ford went ballistic because his constituents went ballistic, and gerald Ford actually had an in quarry into it while he was a member of the House of Representatives. Of course, later as president he never dealt with this issue because basically presidential intelligence doesn't have access to those projects.

8:11 Speaker 1: When you say that he said it was swampcass, that jay On Heineg said it was swampcasts, So you're saying that Ford objected because he knew it was an extraterrestrial vehicle.

8:21 Speaker 5: He knew that some of his constituents, who are very credible, knew it was something real.

8:26 Speaker 1: What was his position then, what was he.

8:29 Speaker 5: He was actually believed it was real, as the.

8:31 Speaker 1: I mean in government is pre pet president.

8:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was in the House of Representatives in the Congress, he was a congressman before he was vice president and then president.

8:41 Speaker 1: And so he was upset that they were saying that it wasn't a real vehicle. So he clamped down on it.

8:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, and actually held a hearing where a lot of people came and gave evidence and information, but it didn't go anywhere because it's Washington. Nothing ever goes anywhere in Washington. And so you know, I started as founder of Disclosure part dot org and now serious disclosure dot com. We began investigating this in nineteen ninety and you know, I'm a trauma doctor, emergency doctor who was running a very busy er and raising for kids. And I got involved with this because I knew about it since childhood.

9:17 Speaker 5: And you know, my I have family. My mom's brother uncle was an engineer that worked on the lunar module and I had an interest in this since I was a little child. So the thing that put Neil Armstrong on the on the moon, my family had a hand in that. So I think that what most people don't realize is that inside the intelligence community, the airspace community, there are a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about this, but they're not allowed to talk about it. It's a career ender for most of them.

9:45 Speaker 5: And that was what we did for Disclosure Project was to put all those folks together identify them. So I spent about ten years identifying who these people were. And first I had maybe half a dozen of them. Now we have over five hundred, five hundred and fifty.

9:58 Speaker 2: Who was the most credible people?

9:59 Speaker 1: Just folks listening to this that haven't watched that video, who are the most credible people?

10:03 Speaker 5: Well, we're gonna have some of them in the film. Serious, you know, that's like s I R I U S. Sirius is going to have a lot of this information in it, and some stuff is going to blow your mind, including the possibility of an actual body, a humanoid body that we're investigating. And we'll get into this in a moment and when you see it, you're going to go, really, my god. But you know, these witnesses that we have who are military, go from the head of investigations for the FAA, John Callahan to a people like Gordon Cooper, who was one of the early Mercury astronauts who his crew actually filmed one of these extra trestole vehicles landing on a dry lake bid out here near Edwards and he looked at the film and sent it on a Pentagon plane.

10:49 Speaker 5: Now the backstory to this, now this is giving an idea of how labyrinthing screwed up Washington's become and what Eisenhower said, And he said, but where are the military industry complex? Because it's going to get out of control and be a threat to our democracy. Gordon Cooper, you know, a very heroic early astronaut, had detailed information, what we call actionable intelligence on that event, this landing of a vehicle in broad daylight near Edwards Air Force Base in nineteen fifty six. Now, when Clinton was president, Gordon Cooper asked, was asked by the Secretary of Defense, William Cohen about this issue, and he says, yes, I absolutely will verify this, and I'll give you the information when and where and how it happened.

11:34 Speaker 5: So the Secretary of Defense of the United States of America had this information, made an inquiry through channels and came up with a dry hole. Basically, this stuff has all been put into a parallel universe that the senior people in our government have for the most part, no access to. Now, I would not have believed that if I hadn't been the guy who was brought to Washington during the Clinton years to do the briefing for the CIA director. And I was asked to go up there as a service, and I did it.

12:05 Speaker 5: Left my er and I put together a whole lot of these early witnesses, testimony, photographs, some really amazing government documents that we acquired through channels I don't want to talk about. And I put this briefing together, and so I go up there and here's the city CIA director, our James Woolsey, and his wife was there, who was at the time the chief operating officer of the National Academy of Sciences. And when I was first invited to go up there and brief the CI director, I was told they want you to come up here because President Clinton and he have inquired about this subject and are being denied access.

12:42 Speaker 5: And I have a letter proving this.

12:44 Speaker 1: President Clinton has been denied access. So they want you, a doctor who.

12:50 Speaker 5: Had a family connection to these programs and also to information.

12:54 Speaker 2: How did they know about you?

12:57 Speaker 5: Well, let me finish this Southern threat and I'll get to that, because that's a little blowing in mind even more. But what happened is that I really thought this was crap. I mean because his handler, the CI Director's handler who contacted me, he said, look, they need you to come up here because they can't find out anything, but they know stuff's going on. I thought they just wanted to pick my brain a sort of spooks, you know how spooks. Well, the spies will try to just get information. I went up there and the CI director was honestly, completely in the dark, and I was mortified.

13:31 Speaker 5: And towards the end of this almost three hour briefing that I did for the CI director, my wife was with me, and I gave him this white paper, this position paper that a summary of action that the president needed to take and he needed to take, and he My hands were shaking because I'm like this thirty five year old guy. Briefing the sitting CI director was very intimidating, frankly, and you know, at the end of it, I said, you know, we really need you to help disclose this information because the people need to know.

14:01 Speaker 5: But also the technologies that we've studied and have mastered for fifty years could get us off oil, we could fix this environment, we could fix the world's poverty problems and the geopolitical problems in the Middle East. And he looked at me, he says, how do we disclose that which we have no access to? And I just thought I thought I'd pass out. I said, what do you mean? You have to act? And this was from his mouth to my ears, And so I learned the hard way, the very very hard way that when you're dealing with things that are some people say above top secret, but the proper name is an unacknowledged special access project.

14:35 Speaker 5: And we have about one hundred to two hundred billion dollars a year in our treasury going into these rogue operations, and it's it's a criminal, it's our ageous that you know, just because you're the CI director, just because you're Secretary of Defense or on the Senate Intelligence Committee means nothing. And even the president. So the reason he those folks invited me to come up there is that the year before I had taken a team of people out on a beach using some experimental protocols to contact these vehicles and the occupants, and four of these UFOs popped into the sky, just boom boom, boom boom, which we have on videotape, a great videotapecause we didn't have good cameras back then, and there were a couple Air Force officers and pilots there, and this went up through the chain of command.

15:23 Speaker 5: A few months later, the former head of Army Intelligence invites me to a meeting, and then some National Security Agency people do and one thing leads to another, and I'm being invited to brief the sitting CIA director so that you know that.

15:34 Speaker 1: You contacted these spaceships.

15:38 Speaker 5: Well, this gets into a discussion. You know, that's complex, but yes.

15:45 Speaker 2: And you can do that at any time.

15:47 Speaker 5: Well not at any time, but I think that under the right that there are protocols, and we developed something called the close Encounters of the fifth kind of initiative, which is when you use this set of very very controversial protocols that deal with non locality, the fact that the universe has various dimensions that you can move through to go from one star system to another. But those dimensions that are at higher resonant fields than say linear space time or electromagnetism also interface with what I call coherent thought.

16:22 Speaker 5: So the Moody Blues were right when they said thinking is the best way to travel. And there's a component to where you're I'm probably going to lose half your listeners right now. No, I've got all right, Well, hey all you freaks, listen up, and listen up hard. You can develop technologies and we have these in classified projects now where you can have a what's called a switch that will interface with very intent thought. So it's beyond forget your iPhone. Now, if you're traveling from one star system to another, that's what you're going to be using.

16:57 Speaker 5: You're going to be using technologies that are phasing a multiples of the speed of light. And those dimensions also intersect at a certain point with coherent thought. Just like light is coherent, a laser is coherent light. And so this gets into the whole question of how over the history of humanity have there been so many reports of contact and there are I mean going all the way back to the Vimanas and the Vedas, to accounts that you know, there's a wonderful painting and the Middle Ages of this exactly.

17:27 Speaker 5: It looks like a modern UFO over the shoulder of Mary holding Jesus in a picture that's been from the fourteen hundreds. I've actually seen the original of this. So I think the question becomes, you know, we probably have always had extraterrestrial civilizations observing our little planet. The question is what happened in the last fifty to one hundred years that really got their attention, And I'm quite convinced it was when we started detonating thermo nuclear weapons. But one of the projects we're involved with is Disclosure project and another one is sort of a citizen's diplomacy effort, saying, look, since our government is dead in the water on this in terms of the Secretary of State and folks like that.

18:09 Speaker 5: And I know I went up to the UN and met with back when but butrus Gali was U and Secretary General and brief these guys and her Leagali, the wife of the Secretary General, and I talked about this in depth, and she said, they're not going to let us deal with something like this. So I started a citizens diplomacy effort back in nineteen ninety. But this is actually and this is the part that I get ridiculed the most for. But it's the reason why the intelligence community took it most seriously is that they knew that we had discovered the Ressetta Stone of contact and they were very concerned, now concern from the covert end, from the end of a lot of these Washington operatives.

18:48 Speaker 5: They were just fascinated. They didn't understand it because it was sort of past their scientific understanding, but they were very interested.

18:55 Speaker 1: And this is something I hate and interrupt you no, no, please, It is something that we can't really just gloss over the idea that coherent thought, as you say, intersects with these other levels, these other dimensions that we can't normally access.

19:12 Speaker 5: Correct.

19:14 Speaker 2: How did you.

19:14 Speaker 1: Find out about this and how did you develop the ability in.

19:20 Speaker 5: The hot seat early man.

19:21 Speaker 2: Well, I need to mean you have to.

19:23 Speaker 1: When you say that you can do that, I mean somehow or another, you have to without getting anybody killed. You have to explain how did you figure that out?

19:32 Speaker 5: I figured it out when I was a teenager, and through a series of experiences I had, and you know, I was I was talking to Thomas Jane, who's an actor here in town, about this, and I had a near death experience when I was seventeen. I was very sick, and I had an experience that took me into some awareness about the nature of consciousness and the non locality of mind and the fact that the mind is actually a singularity, that there's a only one mind and it's just shining through various individuals, appearing as many.

20:05 Speaker 5: And this experience, although it sounds very spiritual and religious, was very palpable. And I was raised a very devout atheist, so we didn't believe in anything, and so when I realized that this was real, I began to study meditation, and through that began to have some experiences where I realized this could happen. And I had a contact experience. I was eighteen. It was a few months later in the fall of nineteen seventy three, and I was doing this. I was meditating, and then I was doing what I was now called SRV scientific remote viewing, where you use consciousness to see remote places.

20:41 Speaker 5: And of course Army Intelligence and the CI of experimented with this for years, which you may or may not know about. We can get into that. But I know all those guys. I know all the SRV people. But I was as a kid, you know, and I just turned eighteen. I was doing this, and suddenly I had this experience where I thought, well, what if I try to go into that state of one mind that I experienced when I was a kid six six months earlier, when I had this near death experience. So I did, and then I had an experience where I remote viewed in salty space and I could see that there was an ET spacecraft out there, and I made contact and it appeared and it literally materialized right near the mountain where I.

21:26 Speaker 2: Was how you to do this?

21:28 Speaker 5: Eighteen No drugs? No, No, I've never done any drugs.

21:30 Speaker 2: He's never done any drugs, no psychedelics, nothing, never.

21:34 Speaker 5: Wow.

21:35 Speaker 2: Are you aware aware of dimethyl trip to being? Do you know what?

21:38 Speaker 5: I do?

21:38 Speaker 2: You know?

21:39 Speaker 1: It's a supposedly your brain produces it when you're in periods of extreme stress or near death experiences. And it's also the same chemical that's in ayahuasca, which has been used by indigenous tribes.

21:52 Speaker 5: To Now, this was just this was a very natural sort of thing that happened.

21:56 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that these people that are having these experiences, that are having a lot of people that are having alien contact experiences, they are all having them in the middle of the night, like most of them are having them at night. And I'm not discounting this in any way, in fact, maybe possibly enhancing the possibility of people understanding this or the vehicle the mind produces this dimethyl trip to me during rem sleep, and it's believed. It's still a very sketchy thing. We know that the body produces it.

22:28 Speaker 1: We know they believe the pineal glam which is literally your third eye and reptiles it as a retina of corny and also they believe that's what the evidence on it apparently is like really kind of it's hard to figure out exactly, but they know the body has it.

22:42 Speaker 2: They know it's.

22:43 Speaker 1: Produced by the liver and the lungs for sure. And this chemical, when you get it and you give it to people that have had UFO abduction experiences, it gives them the exact same experience. It brings them into contact with other beings. The idea that this is just a hallucination because your your body has some endogenous chemical in it and it's spikes and stimulates the visual cortex and what have you, and you have this That is what everyone has always assumed whenever you talk about anything hallucinatory or psychedelic, right, But what they're not, what a lot of people haven't taken into consideration, is that you're basically a conglomeration of chemicals.

23:25 Speaker 1: Your neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin, There's a million different chemicals which as their levels vary up and down, it drastically changes your reality, your happiness level, your appreciation love, oxytocin. All these things proven one hundred percent change your reality, change the physical meat vehicle reality that you have. And I think, for whatever reason, when we think of something in the mind, when we think of the mind, like you're you're saying that coherent thought can contact other entities from other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about?

24:02 Speaker 1: You know, that's like the initial immediate reaction.

24:05 Speaker 5: Because we've all been misunder miseducated about the nature of real.

24:09 Speaker 2: Well of consciousness.

24:10 Speaker 1: I've always tried to get people to try to understand how bizarre just just imagination is. And I don't mean imagination by your imagining things that aren't there. That's not real. You're playing a game with your mind. What I mean by imagination is everything, including the language that we're speaking with right now, the vehicle in which this language is getting delivered through the Internet. All of this came from the imagination. Everything, this table came from the imagination. Everything is the arm that holds this microphone.

24:40 Speaker 1: Someone thought this shit up and then all of a sudden it manifested itself in a physical form when they actively created it. That seems so normal to us, It seems so normal. But we're the only fucking animal in the world we know that can.

24:53 Speaker 5: Do this well. And it goes beyond that, because you know, doctor John at Princeton University had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Search Lab, and I knew doctor John, and they had proven that you could set up a random number generator machine and put your thought towards it and begin to move, whether it's fitting out zeros or ones, and that there is in fact been proven scientifically that the mind is actually operating non locally, meaning that it's not limited to space and time in a linear way.

25:23 Speaker 5: And these studies that have been done by Dean Rayden and doctor John and many other scientists with very good credentials. I mean, doctor John was an engineer and at Princeton what they found is that in fact, the mind itself is what Urban Schrodinger said. And Urban Schrodinger, of course was the father of particle wave theory and quantum mechanics, and I think it was in nineteen ten or so he said, the total number of minds in the universe is one. That is, it's a singularity. And so that understanding is I mean, I know it sounds sort of out there, but no, I mean it actually sounds very vedic in the sense of a Buddhist, of a Danta.

26:08 Speaker 5: But well, yeah, I mean I guess maybe Sarah Palin, But did I say that. I'm sorry, I apologize. But the reality is the world isn't flat, and there's a whole area of physics and science that has been drilled down on for years that establish all these things is true. It isn't talked about because the high priests of religion and the high priests of science are all opposed to this information coming out the idea. So part of the secrecy around this whole UFO issue isn't just the physical energy and propulsion systems.

26:42 Speaker 5: It's the paradigm because if you if you asked the question in fact, going back to this dinner with the CIA director and his wife, very smart lady, and she turns in we're sitting across the table having dinner. I mean, that was the cover story was it was a dinner and she says, how are they community across the vastness of space? And of course I had the you know, I didn't know whether to tell her something that sounded scientific so I maintained my credibility, or to tell her the truth and risk losing all my credibility.

27:16 Speaker 5: But I decided then in the early days of this project that if someone's smart enough to ask the question, I'm going to answer it honestly, even though it's going to blow their mind. And so I looked at her and her husband, the CI director sitting next to her. I didn't really understand where she was going. I said, look, take her milky way one hundred thousand light years across, all right, So that in one hundred thousand light years is a distance. That's how far you would go at one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second.

27:46 Speaker 5: For one hundred thousand years going at that speed, that's just our own galaxy. Now you take one percent of that, say a thousand light years at the speed of your cell phone or radio wave or TV wave or this system we're using right here, for someone from a star system one percent of the way through our galaxy for them to say hello, how are you? And for a spacecraft that's at another star system a thousand light years away say here Earth to say, fine, how are you doing? That just took how long years?

28:16 Speaker 5: Two thousand years, one thousand one way and one thousand another. So the time since the birth of cry so the speed of light is too damn slow, and so when you begin to go through what I call the crossing point of light, it's like the sound barrier was a big deal. The biggest deal is the light barrier. And when you go past the light barrier, you're going to cross into these kind of multi phasic resonant dimensions, part of which hook into the singularity of mind and thought. And actually, this film that we're working on, which is the largest crowdfunded documentary in history to my knowledge, serious and you can find out about it serious disclosure dot com.

28:53 Speaker 5: It's been crowdfunded by the public. It's all been funded by people out there, thousands of people. We're going to do a Oh, we're going to do a premiere here in La on April twenty second, if you want to come, but I would love to. Okay, come.

29:07 Speaker 1: Well, we can't send things to the speed of light, right, I mean even that even saying.

29:10 Speaker 5: That beyond the speed of light, but they can't do that.

29:13 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you can't send information in the form of light yet, can you not?

29:19 Speaker 2: Well?

29:19 Speaker 5: No, but I'm well, fiber optics and things of this sort, but does that move with the speed of light pretty much? Yeah, But what I'm saying is that if you go beyond the speed of light, it's a whole new physics, of course. Okay, so that's what If these craft are here, and now we have I have over four thousand cases where they've landed, and we have evidence. I have three thousand, five hundred pilot cases. We have over five hundred whistleblowers top secret military, corporate people, and I have one hundred and ten of them on digital videotape, although nobody wants to see it, but I have it.

29:48 Speaker 5: So the question is, if they're here, how the hell they get here. Well, they're not using an exceon jet a fuel, and they're not using a solid rocket booster, and they're not using an ion drive or anything linear. So you have to begin to have this question. So when the CI director's wife asked me this, I told her about that they had technologies that interface with thought and consciousness, and that sounded It may sound as bizarre to people now, but if you took your cell phone and showed Thomas Jefferson your smartphone, they would think it was magic.

30:18 Speaker 5: If you went to Salem, Massachusetts a couple hundred years ago, you'd be burned at the stake as a witch. So the point is is that people have to have some humility about the fact that humans are one half of one step out of the jungle technologically, and we're only one hundred or so years into anything resumming real technology. So when we're dealing with civilizations that are ten to the six to ten to the seventh, one hundred thousand to million years ahead of us, we have to have some humility about what that might look like.

30:44 Speaker 5: And so when I explained this to the wife, the SI director, she just looked at me and said, I thought it had to be something like that. I mean, people are ready to actually understand this. Not everyone has to be retarded on this. And I tell folks that it's what's a shame in mind mind is that our civilization has been exploring these sort of what they call border land sciences for one hundred years and it's all been kept very secret or debunked or ridiculed, and it's actually holding us back, not only socially and spiritually, but environmentally and in every other way.

31:18 Speaker 5: Because this nexus of where you have these advanced transdimensional physics come together, that's how you're propelling through one point in space to another across galaxies. It's also how we're going to be able to run this planet's energy grid without a grid, where every home, business, and car can pull energy out of the fabrica space time through this kind of physics. And so there's this nexus where electromagnetism and transdimensional physics comes together, and then you cross it a little deeper, and that's where you get into the science of consciousness.

31:49 Speaker 5: And this becomes a very very complex issue for most people because it's new to them, but once you understand the fundamental science behind it, it's really very simple.

32:00 Speaker 1: Need to understand is that no one two hundred years ago even thought of a camera. Right two hundred years ago, when you want to picture something, you had to draw it, and there was you know, the idea of a camera was so the idea of a movie, the idea of sending a video on your phone to your friend. You could take a video of you here right now and send it to a friend and they would get it almost instantly. That's just a tiny blip in human history, a two hundred year blip in human history, from riding horses to sending video through the internet.

32:32 Speaker 5: One hundred years yeah.

32:33 Speaker 1: I mean, and the people that existed back then would have never seen it coming. And if technology, and we know it does, accelerates exponentially, what we're dealing with a thousand years from now, ten thousand years from now is completely unrecognizable. We live in an area where our solar system is kind of scary. There's a lot of rocks out there, and they fly around and occasionally slam in the shit, and they can they can ruin civilization for a little bit. But there might be solar systems out there that doesn't take place.

33:01 Speaker 1: There could be a civilization that developed two three billion years ago. I mean, we really don't know. We have no idea.

33:08 Speaker 5: Well, the Earth has had life for seven hundred million years and all scientists recognize that, except people who think that the world was made six thousand years ago. And I have nothing to say that those folks except to say get over it. But I know, I think you're I'm an outrageous person, at a little bit outrageous. You haven't heard anything yet.

33:26 Speaker 6: Stayed, Yeah, I'm ready all right, trapped in so but but if you really look at our technological development, you know, my grandmother was born in post reconstruction South in the late eighteen hundreds.

33:40 Speaker 5: Her Son worked on the lunar module put the first man on the moon. But by the time we landed on the moon in nineteen sixty nine, we were fifteen years into having classified anti gravity propulsion devices.

33:51 Speaker 1: The biggest mind fuck that I always trying to drop on people with time is between the invention of the airplane, it was less than fifty years that someone you use that airplane to drop a nuclear weapon, right.

34:03 Speaker 5: And see this is this is pretty crazy. This gets into the whole question. You know, I've had a lot of people ask me we have And if you go to our side Serious Disclosure dot com, there's a section that has all these top secret military guys on it, and part of it is that there's a whole grouping of them. I have a dozen of them, so who are at strategic air command facilities and nuclear weapons storage areas and processing areas and all this stuff. And every one of them were overflown by et spacecraft back in the forties, fifties, sixties because they were very concerned about what we were doing, because we were going from having these technologies to weaponizing them, and our technological development had gotten ahead of our social and spiritual development.

34:45 Speaker 5: Way ahead, and this is an existential threat. But you know, as an emergency doctor, I used to have, you know, crazy people come into the er and I'd have to commit them, and you know, it's dangerous to yourself for others. And what I found is that if you take a step back and look humanity through the eyes of extraterrestrial civilizations, we've become dangerous to ourselves, but we're also dangerous to others. And moreover, we become an existential threat to the biosphere of the Earth, where we're killing the oceans, the atmosphere and everything else.

35:15 Speaker 5: All this is unnecessary. So the question is the misanthropic sociopaths that are running the planet into the ground are going to have to be stood down by the people getting behind disclosure, getting behind the technologies and basically saying we're fed up and we're not going to put up with this anymore. It's like the moving Network and we're mad as hell, and I think people and it isn't about doing anything violent. It's about saying we need to just move forward because Washington isn't going to do it.

35:42 Speaker 5: My uncle's company, North Grummin isn't Lockheed Martin isn't going to do it. It's you and me and the other people out there who get the situation we're in and want to fix it.

35:51 Speaker 1: One of the things that might have also got their attention was Operations Starfish Prime. You aware of that from nineteen sixty two where they launched a nuclear bomb in a space He blew up a nuclear bomb in space.

36:02 Speaker 5: Well, I actually one of our witnesses, Colonel Diedrichson, was with the Atomic Energy Commission, which became the DOE, and he was an Air Force colonel and his responsibility was over all the nuclear facilities. But he knew of a program where we were going to lob a thermonuclear weapon and detonated on the Moon and when that okay, and they actually worked on this, and when it went exo atmospheric, when it left our atmosphere and it was intercepted by an extra trestful vehicle and basically de materialized was taken out.

36:33 Speaker 5: And he knew had personal knowledge.

36:34 Speaker 1: Of this, so they had actually tried to do.

36:37 Speaker 5: This, they actually launched it and it was on its way to the Moon. So you know, there have been a lot of really create It's like doctor Strange Love on steroids with some of these guys. And you know, I still work with a lot of folks who are with the Agency and aerospace industry. And there's a term at the Naval Research Labs and CIA for this whole area of science, and it's called w FM. It stands for it's not a radio station, by the way, it stands for weird science and freaking magic. And that's what they call it.

37:07 Speaker 2: And grown, man, you should never use the word freaking.

37:09 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. This is what they call it.

37:11 Speaker 1: They need to be stopped if they have that access to technology and they use the word freaking.

37:15 Speaker 2: Yes, you can't be trusting them, Oh you can't. They're held back.

37:19 Speaker 5: Actually, I'll tell you that a lot of them are really good people who want to see the secrecy end, but.

37:23 Speaker 1: There's not much they can do as an individual when you're in a compartmentalized sort of a system like well, I.

37:28 Speaker 5: Got a lot of them come forward. You know, almost all of our top secret guys had signed security oos. But here here's something I want everyone to listen carefully. Daniel Sheehan, who is as constitutional attorney who did Pentagon papers and Silquid case and all this and I ran this by him. I said, look, I've done briefings for here's a short list. The Director of Central Intelligence, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, senior people who are on the House, various House committees, Government Oversight Committee, Presidential staff.

38:07 Speaker 5: The head of intelligence for the Joint Jesus Staff was called J two. Personally. I took astronautger Mitchell to one of those briefings for the admiral Admiral Tom Wilson. And every one of these people had been inquiring about this issue and had been denied access. One of them, who I will not name, I learned before my briefing with him, I had given a document that's going to be in this film serious, And the document is it's on the front of the thing, the briefing I put together for President Obama.

38:40 Speaker 5: And if you go down the list.

38:41 Speaker 1: One you put together a briefing for President Obama.

38:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, he asked you to someone senior involved with his team did And so.

38:51 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, how weird must that be? To be the president and then to get in there and go, Okay, what the fuck is.

38:57 Speaker 5: Going on with the Emperor? Has no clue?

39:00 Speaker 1: Hey call that that doctor. What's that guy's name, Virginia, Go get that guy.

39:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. So no, But what happened is that when when when this admiral looked at this document and it's gonna blow people's mind when they see this. Uh, it's a National Reconnaissance Office document. NRO does all the top secret bicatellites and over their headquarters it says we own the night and the oh yeah, that's their motto, we own the Night. It's pretty yeah, it's pretty spooky. Yeah, but so, you know, these are kind of dudes I work with all the time. What happened is that the one of these compartments, it has a whole distribution list cosmic ops, magic ops, da da da da da da da, you know, all kinds of It's about twenty of them.

39:48 Speaker 5: And this is a document that was not declassified. It was given to me by a source that I want to talk about. And this admiral recognized one of those compartments, so he contacted them and on the other end of the phone they said, he said look that I'm so and so, and they said, yes, sir, we know who you are. And he says, well, I want to be read into which is military speak for brief on this project. And they said, sir, we cannot discuss this project with you. You don't have a need to know. He says, what do you mean.

40:17 Speaker 5: I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. How can I not have a need to know? And they said, sir, we will not discuss this with you. Clip blocking.

40:25 Speaker 1: So who the fuck knows? Who's like?

40:28 Speaker 2: How many people are there? Have you determined that.

40:31 Speaker 5: The Yeah, I have, I know some of the members of the of there's a committee and it's transnational. It started out much smaller and less opaque back in the forties when Truman was around.

40:44 Speaker 2: Does it have a name?

40:45 Speaker 5: It did have the name Majestic, and that is not a myth, and so.

40:50 Speaker 2: He's Majestic twelve, right? Is that what it was?

40:52 Speaker 5: Yes? But the document is of the nineties that I got it still had Magic m Ajic on it. And so a lot of these programs, you know, they've gone through multiple generations of evolution. And now I understand it's a committee of two or three hundred folks who are you know, corporate, very deep kind of shadow government operations. The mistake the public makes is that they think that just because you're the president or the CIA director or member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you're going to have access to those.

41:22 Speaker 5: And that's because they do not understand what Rumsfeldt said is true on the day before nine to eleven. And this is going to be in the film where he said there's two point three trillion dollars basically missing that we can account for out of the Department of Defense budget over the last few years. Two point three trillion, not billion. Now we found out, and I discovered this in the early nineties, that there's somewhere between one hundred and two hundred billion a year basically just being stolen going into these illegal projects.

41:50 Speaker 5: And so when she Han and I looked at this this attorney, I said, look, if all these people who have a need to know in the constitutional chain of command are being to deceived and what have you, I'm going to declare all those projects rogue a priori illegal. Therefore, anyone who signed a security oath for them, I'm going to unilaterally announce that they're released from them. So all of you listening, if you've been in any of these projects with Lockheed, Northrop, SAIC, the CIA, you do not have to go by the secrecy because if they are denying access to the people who are in the constitutional chain of command, which I can prove they have in a court of law, those projects are rogue and therefore those security oaths have no enforceability.

42:34 Speaker 5: Now whether or not you have the courage to come forward is another question. But what I was very glad to be able to do between the early nineties and two thousand and one with the Disclosure Project is to pull together the people who did have a courage and they're still coming forward, and when we have people contact me all the time who are in these projects, who give us information, intelligence, and it's really a citizen's effort. I mean, I've never been in the government in my entire life, but I think this is what you have an idea, and if the idea picks up steam and people see the reason for it.

43:08 Speaker 5: But the other thing is to do it in a way where people feel supported. And that's why we did this in a way where there were dozens that came out at once. I mean I think in the initial batch of people came forward, it was about seventy.

43:21 Speaker 1: One of the things I always want to get into people's heads when they start talking about the government or the people in charge or you know, those in the know. The idea that they're exchanging information has been proven false time and time again. Right.

43:38 Speaker 2: Not only that, what's really.

43:40 Speaker 1: Blown me away lately is finding out that, especially in this supposed patriotic time of war, we have government factions that don't like other government factions.

43:50 Speaker 5: It's always been that way.

43:51 Speaker 1: I was blown away when portray us was outed by the FBI.

43:56 Speaker 2: I'd be like, are you fucking crazy? Like that is?

44:00 Speaker 1: You're talking about the head of the CIA, and there's the FBI is spying on him over an affair, and you're going to bring down this beloved national hero. Stupid, unbelievably stupid, but also unbelievably revealing about how partitioned our government truly is and how difficult it would be to get accessed to some critical information if this information is in any way deemed too sensitive or too controversial, or to whatever, too paradigm shifting for average eyes.

44:39 Speaker 5: Well, let's make this very simple. If you acknowledge that the UFOs are there and they're real, and anyone with an IQ over mud it's going to ask the question, then how did they get here? If you ask that question, we have the answers for it. And if the public knows that, then they know we don't need excellon mobile, we don't need oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, or centralized utility grew.

45:03 Speaker 1: That's assuming, though, that most people believe that the UFOs are real, because.

45:06 Speaker 5: I am about fifty to sixty percent do now.

45:09 Speaker 2: I think they say that. I think they say.

45:12 Speaker 1: But I think they most of the time will look for terrestrial explanations most rational people.

45:17 Speaker 5: Well, no, actually, what I'm no. There was just a poll that came out a month ago and there's actually forty three percent of the public believe that extraterrestrial life has been on the planet here now.

45:28 Speaker 1: Fifty one percent believe that the Earth is less than ten thousand years old. You know that.

45:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, wellther well, I don't know if it's that high. I heard it was about a quarter of the population.

45:38 Speaker 1: So gallop pole, I think twenty ten, twenty ten, they got fifty one percent.

45:46 Speaker 5: The Flatter Society still has a lot of members, I guess. But you know, here's the here's the bigger issue is that if you bring this information out and let's let's say that one of the objectives of what I'm working on now.

46:00 Speaker 2: I mean, let me just clear that up.

46:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, forty six percent okay, creationist view of human origins forty forty.

46:05 Speaker 5: Six per well, but of the creationist view, not all those people think the world is ten thousand years old. I think that number is only about ten thousand.

46:12 Speaker 2: Years, though they're saying ten thousand years.

46:13 Speaker 1: This is what in this study, the Galop study, the very specifically, forty six percent of Americans believe the creation's view that God created humans in their present form at a time within the last ten thousand years.

46:23 Speaker 5: Oh God, you're going to make me move to norwayad.

46:26 Speaker 1: Has a good choice to Canada's right there, and they're badass, I know, you know. But just to throw some salt on your idea, that makes all you want. Well, look, I told you I'm a huge fan of the UFO experience. I mean, I really want it to be real. But just because forty seven percent of what have the fuck think? Forty six percent think that the earth right?

46:46 Speaker 5: No, no, you're right here? Yeah, and but the evidence speaks for herself. And I told someone wants.

46:50 Speaker 1: But what does it what percentage? Okay, let's let's just be honest or rather, let's open this. What percentage of UFO sightings are real? How what percentage are totally made up? And what percentage are a confusion?

47:07 Speaker 5: But that's not the metric we're using. We're going by government release documents. We're going by people who are insiders, who have actually handled extra trust yours.

47:16 Speaker 1: So when you're talking about extraconferences, you're talking about experiences from people who are one hundred percent credible bulletproof.

47:23 Speaker 5: War and only that. But if you have the former Minister of Defense of Canada say that he checked out with a US Air Force general that in fact, there was an accident that happened in New Mexico in nineteen forty seven, which people call Roswell, and that what Philip Corso, Colonel Corso wrote in his book the day after Roswell was substantially correct. And this is the Honorable Paul Hellier, and he and I did a press conference in Toronto a couple of years ago, and he has completely verified this. So the question is, and the same thing happened with five Star Admiral Lord Hill Norton.

47:57 Speaker 5: I mean here he was the Minister of Defense and he found out after the fact that in fact, an extra trustal vehicle had landed at the event waters U Royal Air Force Base at Rendal from Forest in England, and we have multiple Disclosure Project witnesses who were there. And it came out recently that the Ministry of Defense in Great Britain released the documents on that where they had physical evidence that this thing actually did land and left physical traces, et cetera, and so on. So I tell people, you know, usually the New York Times say, well, we need two or three corroborating witnesses to something, particularly three if it's a very controversial story.

48:36 Speaker 5: I said, yes, But the Disclosure Project has hundreds of these sort of people, thousands of cases like this, and we're not talking about just people.

48:45 Speaker 2: Per event. They don't mean like.

48:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, but we have we have an we have event. We have multiple ones for this landing at Rendils from far we have multiple ones from the minor North Dakota. It happens where there will be some of them, you know, four or five, six at one event. They are very incredible military people. And so why isn't you know, why isn't the lamestream news, the mainstream news reporting this. If you put together this amount of information, and then the question becomes how free is our media and how free is our market and how free is our country?

49:20 Speaker 5: Because I think there's more corruption than people can imagine. And I'm not a conspiracy theory person. I do.

49:26 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, yes you are.

49:27 Speaker 5: No, I'm not.

49:27 Speaker 1: How dare you? No, I'm not, But just be honest. You're okay, okay, but about UFO conspiracy, like it was.

49:36 Speaker 5: The mafia conspiracy of a criminal enterprise. Yes, but it's not a theory, it's a fact. There's a big difference between.

49:43 Speaker 1: The Obviously you're talking about a UFO conspiracy and energy conspiracy. You're talking about the suppressing information.

49:51 Speaker 5: People conspire in their own interests. And if you're you gotta, I don't know.

49:55 Speaker 1: I know you don't like conspiracy theorists, but okay, well, I just.

50:00 Speaker 5: I think it's misused and I think that you know, just weight it's a loaded thing, and it's like, you know, it's like when Larry King asked me, do you believe? I said, well, you know, I believe in a lot of things that you can't see and prove. But if I have four thousand cases where these things have landed, if I have hundreds of photographs and videotapes. If I have dozens of top secret guys who can corroborate this, why is that a belief? I mean, you believe in God and some other things, but I mean this is not a matter of belief.

50:27 Speaker 2: Most people believe.

50:28 Speaker 1: And I'll quote Neil de grass Tyson who says that eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of all pieces of evidence.

50:35 Speaker 5: That's right.

50:36 Speaker 1: But what physical evidence do you have that goes along with eyewitness sessimony that you believe is the most compelling?

50:44 Speaker 5: Well, I think the most compelling that I've ever seen.

50:50 Speaker 5: It's something we're working on right now, and it remains to be seen if it's going to be what we think it is, and we're going to know fairly soon. And I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I was introduced to an institute that acquired a small humanoid being about six inches in length.

51:13 Speaker 1: This is in the trailer for Serious. I've seen this, this little skeleton that's X rayed.

51:19 Speaker 5: And CAT scanned, and we're now doing the genetic work up at the top university in the world that's doing this.

51:24 Speaker 1: Pull that up, Brian, because it's very freaky people on U stream and Vimeo can see this. We'll just well, you know what, let's just play the entire trailer for you and get people excited about this movie. Now, who found this this alien being? And where did they acquire this thing?

51:41 Speaker 5: It was? I'm not at liberty. I'm still waiting to see if this person was but.

51:45 Speaker 2: Because it might be horseshit right, it's a possibility, you.

51:48 Speaker 5: Know, you know, no, I know. All I'm saying is that it is an organic being. It is an organic It is with the cats can shows lungs on the inside. It has ten ribs, not twelve. We have now proven from bone density that it's at least several years old and it's only six inches long.

52:10 Speaker 2: So the t do you prove that from bone density?

52:15 Speaker 5: We look at the epiphacial plates and the calvinch calcium.

52:17 Speaker 1: In other words, isn't it why you're dealing with a completely alien species?

52:21 Speaker 5: No? No, no, I'm saying, if you were to go back, if you're going to assume that it's not et then you look at it. What would this be if it were human? Okay, so you have to go through an algorithm, and it's a diagnosis of exclusion we could say in medicine, because if it's not a miscarried or a boarded fetus, which is the size of what this would be about twenty two weeks. If it's not any known primate, it's not a fossil because it has organic material and DNA material. We've already extracted. We clipped one of the ribs, two of the ribs, and have gotten the DNA material out of the rib of internal mirrow.

52:55 Speaker 5: And so this is being processed right now as we speak.

52:58 Speaker 1: Literally, So if it was a human, it would be several years old. So that proves that it's not a human.

53:04 Speaker 5: There is no there's no form of Dwarfism or any other genetic anomaly known in the literature according to the world's expert in this area that would explain something of this age that is this and also that has these abnormalities. If you look at the skull, if you look at the the fact that has ten ribs, there are no genetic syndromes where you have ten ribs.

53:27 Speaker 2: Have you seen this thing in person?

53:29 Speaker 5: I was the third person to hold it, handle it, and I did the I didn't say autopsy on it, but I did the tests on it and.

53:37 Speaker 2: How long had it been dead for? We have no idea, no idea.

53:39 Speaker 5: That that we didn't get enough material from. We didn't want to damage this little thing too much, so the carbon dating on it will be the next step. We wanted to be sure we had enough genetic material and if we had to go back, and we didn't want to destroy anyway. So we're working a scientific algorithm on this. This is actually the people, the public who is supporting the film serious or the reason why we were able to do all these studies.

54:04 Speaker 2: How is this?

54:05 Speaker 1: How is this thing preserved?

54:07 Speaker 2: You know?

54:08 Speaker 5: But it was found in a very very dry desert area and it's just very desiccated. It's very dried out, and it was not in any sort of preservative and now it died a traumatic death. We know it behind the right mass storied air cell behind your ear. Here the skull is crashed in and it's a little asymmetric on the jaw, and that the right humorous is fractured through and through. But and it happened at mortem or shortly post mortem. We think it was the fatal blow to this particular being. Now what is this being?

54:45 Speaker 5: When you look at it? Almost every scientist that has seen it goes looks like an et but we don't know. All I'm going to say is that we're not gonna be able to say because you know, even the genetics, there's no database to compare it to. Now we have the whole human genome to compare too, which is what we're doing right now, and we have all the literature that the world's expert in skeletal abnormalities, I mean, the expert in the world looked at this thing is that this is nothing that I know of and that has ever been seen on this planet.

55:16 Speaker 5: And so the question then becomes what is it? Now? It turns out it was found in an area of the Atacama Desert in Chile that native peoples have reports of these objects, iluminous objects going in and out of the foothills of the.

55:32 Speaker 1: Andes famous famous for very.

55:34 Speaker 5: Famous, very famous, and also in these remote native villages or reports of these very small beings upright, humanoid type beings.

55:44 Speaker 1: Isn't that also the area where they constructed the VLT telescopic array, one of the very large telescope I believe.

55:52 Speaker 5: I think there, yeah, because it's a very dark area and there have been a lot of astronomy. And we also know one of our witnesses who was manning a facility on the Peruvian Bolivian border that's not too far from this area, was there in the early nineties when we were using a SDI star Wars system to track et craft and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons. And one was downed and crashed on the Peruvian Bolivian border.

56:19 Speaker 2: We hit it with electromagnetic pulse weapons. Yeah, this is so who did this? The Air Force to the army like, do we know?

56:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, we know, but I mean it's this group majestic. But I mean, you know, if you were to talk to the general I briefed, who's head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is almost as beca as the CIA that's in the Pentagon, you didn't know anything about this. So you when you say who's doing it, it's not it's kind of almost not The correct even way of framing it is to say, you know, when Senator Annually he just passed away wonderful centator from you know, he said, there exists a secret government with its own air force, its own funding mechanism, its own navy.

57:01 Speaker 5: I'm quoting almost exactly and actually this is a great speech by this senator, and it's because he had run across that this was going on. So the question is who's running this. Well, they've gone off the reservation. There's certainly no congressional oversight or a presidential oversight over these rogue elements. And I think that is a threat to our democracy. But it's also a threat to our security in the world. If what we've learned is true from multiple military insiders, that we have been attempting to target these extraterrestrial vehicles and down them.

57:35 Speaker 5: How stupid is that? And you're dealing with civilizations that could turn the Earth into a pink mist floating through space in a nanosecond, and we're there firing at them. Why you know?

57:46 Speaker 2: I mean this is but you're convinced that this happened.

57:48 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I absolutely know it is because I have too many insiders who have been present when we've done this sort of the weaponization of electromagnetic signals.

57:57 Speaker 1: What about disinformation?

57:59 Speaker 5: Do you do most of the information out there is disinformation?

58:02 Speaker 2: I would say, any of it's ever hit you like any of this might be.

58:05 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, no, not what I'm telling you. But have I ever been called flat footed. Yeah, almost, and but you know, we're very careful. And I have to say, you know, as a doctor who got into this sort of accidentally. And then I was tutored and mentored by some really good people in the military, in an the intelligence community who wanted me to do this. And one of them is still the CIA PhD guy, and he says, you know, someone needs to do this because the politicians are never going to deal with in these big corporations are absolutely not going to let it out.

58:40 Speaker 5: And this was back in the nineties. And I said, well, what am I supposed to do? And you know, one of the interesting things after we put this briefing together for Clinton and you know, Lawrence Rockefeller, I put the concept together, the best available evidence and all these cases. And then Lawrence Rockefeller hosts Bill and Hillary Clinton at the Rockefeller Ranch and it had me out there shortly before that. And mister Rockefeller was the white hat in the family who wanted to end the secrecy, unlike some of his family.

59:14 Speaker 5: And so he said to me one night, I was out on his porch on a deck in the granteetans at the Jy Ranch, and he said, we really need you to hurry up and do this. And I said, oh, Lawrence, I'm just a doctor in North Carolina. I'm working in an er, you know. He says, no, you have to do it. I said, no, Lawrence, you have to get these guys to do He says, they will never do it. And I said, Lawrence, for God's sake, you're old, you're rich, and you're a Rockefeller. He says no. He says, the implications of this are so vast and so profound that no aspect of life will be unchanged when it comes out.

59:50 Speaker 5: I said, yes, Lawrence, that's white secret. And then he said to me, well, that means those folks aren't going to do it. And then, you know, before that, shortly after that, and I had this meeting with the CI director, and one of the President's friends came to my house, and this was a very disturbing story. I'm sitting at the table with my four kids, four daughters, and this man who's very close friends with the President Mclinton says to me, well, you know, they're very supportive of what you've recommended in this white paper.

1:00:24 Speaker 5: I said, great, he says, but they're not going to do it. I said, why not? He says, they're convinced that if the president steps into this too hard, he'll end up like Jack Kennedy. And I started laughing, thinking what a load of nonsense, and he stopped me. He says, no, they're serious. I said, well, don't say this in front of the kids. So we went to the library in my house after dinner and I said, what are you talking about, Kevin, And he said, they really think this is too dangerous. I said, well, one am I supposed to do one of my chop liver And he looked at me and he says, yeah, you're expendable.

1:00:58 Speaker 5: So I've always viewed myself as the kind of the throwaway guy, and all of this sense that these guys, you know, the folks who have enormous political power and corporate power, even the ones who support this very avidly, and there's a lot of them, they don't want to stick their necks out.

1:01:15 Speaker 1: But I'm confused. Okay, why would they kill Bill Clinton if Bill Clinton came out and said that we may have evidence that there might be some intelligent life out there in the world.

1:01:25 Speaker 5: Universe, Because you know, it's like the ram song, it's the end of the world as we know it because if that happens, when that happens, people would panic. No, no, no, no, no, no. The public isn't going to panic over this unless it's couch in a stupid way.

1:01:38 Speaker 1: Well, the public definitely will panic. If the president comes out and says there's UFOs and then he gets whacked, that would lead to panic.

1:01:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a bigger problem if the president doesn't have control access over these projects. He didn't want to talk about it because then it shows the fact that our democracy has been sidelined, as Eisenhower warned us. I mean the reason eisen Look, I mean, Eisenhower was not anti military. It was a five star general.

1:02:03 Speaker 1: For folks who don't know this story, just fill people in on the speech that he made as an active sitting president leaving.

1:02:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the last day of his presidency, he basically said, beware the military industrial complex and this is the dangers and he said, the dangers of this and enormous power will be a threat to our democracy in our way of life. Now. The reason he said that is that between nineteen fifty four and nineteen sixty sixty one, when he was leaving office, it was on his watch that the military Industrial Complex reorganized under the Rockefeller Commission of nineteen fifty six, and Eisenhower lost complete control over these projects.

1:02:40 Speaker 5: I have a lieutenant colonel who was on the plane with Jack Kennedy flying to Berlin when he gave the Eye Am a Berliner speech and Jack Kenny was talking about this UFO issue. But he turned to this guy who was kind of the chief steward for Air Force one who I know, and he said, I know about this, but the whole matter is the president. Kennedy saying this, The whole matter is out of my hands, and I don't know why. And this guy was stunned. In fact, I'll tell you there's a kind of a gruff colonel Air Force guy who was crying as he told his story because it hit him that there had been sort of a silent, silent coup de eta on this issue.

1:03:21 Speaker 5: And one of the problems in Washington when I meet with people who are part of powerful committees and politicians is that they're kind of viewed as placeholders that come and go. The mainstream media is really bred and circus, where they just keep wanting people to be entertained with shock and dribble. The question becomes how are you going to get this story out? And that's why. I mean a few years ago I left medicine, which was a hard thing for me to do because I mean I really loved taking care of you know, real emergencies, and Trump, how long did you do that for?

1:03:54 Speaker 5: I was in that er ten years and I was chairman of Emergency Medicine, and you know, the problem became for me, the world's in an emergency. So I said, I'm an emergency doctor and I know an emergency when I see one, and we're in deep trouble, and so someone has to do this. But before I did that, what you have to understand is I went to everyone I could. I mean, I went to these powerful people. I went to the UN, I went to the British government, the Ministry of Defense, and basically none of them doubted this was all true.

1:04:26 Speaker 5: Frankly, this is what people need to understand. There was no laughter in the room. They took it very seriously, but they didn't want to stick their necks out. And a friend of mine who's a big business guy, he said, well, you know the way the world works now, everyone wants to be first, to be second when it's something tough.

1:04:42 Speaker 1: And I've always felt that something along the lines of alien contact. If they did have information, there's no reason to let people know unless it's unavoidable. I always felt like unless they were just going to try to do some damage control and re define what's happening, I didn't I wouldn't think that they would ever come out about it. It just doesn't seem like it would be something that would be advantageous to just start telling people about UFOs. The idea is always that the government is our daddy, and then our government's looking out for us.

1:05:15 Speaker 1: But the evidence points time and time again to that that's horseshit and that's not really what's going on.

1:05:20 Speaker 5: But you know, my military advisor made the point years ago that because so many people, I mean between five and ten percent of the public have seen one of these objects, many of them very close range.

1:05:29 Speaker 1: Let's get back to that, because this is what we had talked about before when we got onto this. People who think the Earth is ten thousand years old. I think most of what people see is bullshit. I think most yeah, you have no question about that.

1:05:42 Speaker 2: Most sightings.

1:05:44 Speaker 1: I did a show once for CBS called Game Show in my Head and it was a a hidden camera game show where we'd put it an earpiece in people's head and we were send them out on the street and they didn't know what they had to do until they got there. And one of them we said, Okay, see that camera over there, that's where that works for you.

1:06:02 Speaker 2: There's a big news camera. You're a news reporter.

1:06:05 Speaker 1: And there was just a UFO sighting right above Hollywood Boulevard. The problem is the witness took off. So you need to grab someone who wasn't there and have them become a witness, tell them exactly what you need to tell them to get them to do this, get them to lie on camera. Then you need to get them to tell you that they were abducted and probed.

1:06:28 Speaker 2: And we got people to do it like that.

1:06:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I have no doubt, but yeah you can't. You can always do that. But I'm talking about high level and the residual. I mean, for example, we have multiple pilots for commercial airlines and the air Force. And this is one of the really great cases we have, by the way, the Japan Airlines case over Alaska in the eighties and the guy who was in charge of investigations for the FAA. He was third from the top during the Rake era. He actually left that agency and brought the originals with him and gave them to us of the radar tracings of this thing that was the size of like ten seven forty sevens moving in a nonlinear way over the skies.

1:07:15 Speaker 5: It was on civilian radar, which was on military radar. They scrambled F sixteen jets it was on their radar, and the japan Airlines seven forty seven pilot has testified to it, and we have all of that. In this case, I've heard of this, okay, all right. So when we brought all that forward and this guy came forward, he says, I'm one of these high level government officials who actually has seen all this and has handled it, but no one's asking the right questions. So when you pull all that together, and then of course there will be events like this thing that happened in Phoenix, where you know, eventually the governor of Arizona five Simonton, came out later and at the time he ridiculed it, but he had actually seen it.

1:07:56 Speaker 5: Came out later ten years later in two thousand and seven, said yeah, that was an ET craft almost certainly. And I saw it, and tens of thousands of people in the Phoenix area saw it, and it was photographed, and it was on radar, and there were very trained people. So you know, you have to ask the question, how many things like that have to happen? And you know, on the other hand, you know, the things that we have in physics that are inferred through indirect measurements, like black holes, are articles of belief in faith or even the Big Bang theory.

1:08:26 Speaker 5: But when you have all of this and this is not just someone on Hollywood Boulevard who's making stuff up. We have dozens thousands of people. You have radar cases, you have all this, and so a lot of this is what's going to be in the film. Serious And because what I've said to people is that the fact that people haven't seen this evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. But I agree with you. There are a lot of people who will see things and it'll be a planet rising, or it'll be a meteor, or it'll.

1:08:50 Speaker 2: Be military aircraft, a satellite, yeah.

1:08:52 Speaker 5: Or it'll be a Now this is the other part of this. There are a lot of things that are UFO sightings that are very legit, and that's why I don't like the word UFO. There are two categories of UFOs that once you eliminate all the nonsense you're talking about, and they're the ones that are etvs, which is what they're called the NSA extratrestical vehicles. And then they're the ones that are the electromagnetic devices. We've been building since the fifties. And if people think that propulsion and energy systems stopped in the forties, they need to think about this.

1:09:26 Speaker 5: Let's step back for a minute. Your car is running on an internal combustion engine circa.

1:09:31 Speaker 1: Mine is because I'm a man, okay, and I don't drive a fucking sissy hybrid.

1:09:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

1:09:36 Speaker 1: I'm not driving a Prius. It makes no noise.

1:09:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have a thousand worse electric one and then you'd really have some power.

1:09:42 Speaker 1: It's too futuristic. Man, I need led Zeppelin on the radio. I need a little yeah, seventies of my life.

1:09:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, well nobody I mean this, you know, and the jet engine people think that was We're fine around jets. So I came out here from DC. That's nineteen thirties rockets nineteen forties, Berner von Brown, do people really think there have been no breakthroughs in energy physics?

1:10:02 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure people absolutely know that we've been working on things like that. But to bring up what you brought up earlier about the governor of Phoenix, just to point out that the governor of Arizona, rather the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, is one of those people that believe the Earth is less than ten thousand years old. So just because you're a governor something doesn't mean you're on the ball.

1:10:21 Speaker 2: And second of all, I had friends.

1:10:23 Speaker 1: That were in Phoenix, and one of them, very credible guy, told me he saw some giant black triangle flying motionless over the sky. He said it was bigger than several football fields. He said it made no noise, and it blocked out the stars and flew over and he said everyone in his neighborhood was shitting their pants. It was enough to me that I would go, wow, there's something. There's too many people that saw something. You could attribute certain things to mass hysteria, but that was one of them that I found to be very strange.

1:10:56 Speaker 1: But I'd never heard any photographs. You say, photographs, Oh.

1:10:59 Speaker 5: We have amazing photograph, some video. They're going to be in the film.

1:11:01 Speaker 1: Serious, you don't have them anywhere else. So anybody you see online you're.

1:11:04 Speaker 2: Holding on back?

1:11:05 Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no, they're out there. Doctor Lyn Katai, who's a medical doctor, also took some of them.

1:11:10 Speaker 2: There's other video photos of the Phoenix crafts.

1:11:14 Speaker 5: Yes, the actual one.

1:11:15 Speaker 1: Yes.

1:11:16 Speaker 2: So what should we if.

1:11:16 Speaker 1: We want to look for one right now to put in this show? Right now we're online? Who does he look for?

1:11:23 Speaker 5: I guess you'd go to doctor Lynn katais side. I don't have him memory name K I.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: T A I K A K K I T A I. Yeah, pull that up, Brian, See what image.

1:11:33 Speaker 5: She has in there?

1:11:35 Speaker 2: I've never heard there's been photographs. What is the photo? Show?

1:11:39 Speaker 5: It shows exactly what people described, a formation of lights that were moving together in a massive sort of the formation.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: Right, And the government said that those were flares.

1:11:49 Speaker 5: Right because a couple hours later, when they couldn't contain the news story on this. I was there when this happened.

1:11:54 Speaker 2: By the way, you were in Phoenix.

1:11:55 Speaker 5: I was there.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: Did you see it? Yeah?

1:11:57 Speaker 2: What did you see?

1:11:58 Speaker 5: What you what you just described? No?

1:12:00 Speaker 1: You?

1:12:01 Speaker 5: Why was I there.

1:12:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get your spider call to Batman?

1:12:05 Speaker 1: Whatever fucking the thing, a UFO just appears over your house like the bat sign.

1:12:10 Speaker 2: Remember when he's in trouble, we need to send Batman.

1:12:13 Speaker 5: So right, No, they don't. I was actually there at a digital lab that was being loaned to us to put together.

1:12:19 Speaker 1: Coincidentally, well not coincidentally.

1:12:22 Speaker 5: To put together the best photos and videos to give to Congress that I was briefing in April of ninety seven. So in March of ninety seven, I had gone there and there was a guy who had a digital laboratory who said, look, we'll let you use our equipment and assemble this and will help you. And he'd worked a lot with the military, and so I had collected photos and videos from all over the world and governments from all over the world, which we call the best available evidence. And I was putting it together because in April we were holding a closed briefing for members of Congress who wanted to know.

1:12:53 Speaker 5: And that's when people like Congressman Dan Burton, who was chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, came and a whole lot of other people from the Pentagon Vice President's office and whatnot. And so I was there when that happened, and someone came running into the lab saying, my god, while we're here trying there's all there's this going on. And it turned out it was on the news that night in Phoenix. Now, interestingly, the national news didn't pick up on it till June. This happened in March, which is very interesting.

1:13:21 Speaker 5: Why did that get held back? But you know, and so there are so many people who saw it, and this was huge. Whatever this object was, it was not the size of like a seven forty seven. A seven forty seven, you know, you probably could put dozens of them inside the volume of this thing. It was huge.

1:13:39 Speaker 1: I found it interesting that the stories were very similar. It's one of the things that I found most interesting. I watched some stuff online and then when I spoke to my friend and loves in Phoenix and he told me what he saw, I was like, Wow, you're talking about like at least six or seven people are telling the exact same story of seeing this exact same sort of thing. Now, these are the images that you're talking about. These are the just the whatever the red lights that are in the sky. I think the video is probably more impressive, being that the video shows these things essentially hover for a long period of time, and much longer than really should be attributable to parachutes and flares.

1:14:18 Speaker 1: It doesn't really make any sense because parachutes and flares, they don't really move that slow. When you you know, you watch a guy jump out of a plane with a parachute. The parachutes, you know, they drive, they slow your fall down, but they don't make you spend.

1:14:32 Speaker 5: Graph of it. No, and we know how how those kind of flares imperman but the people who were directly under it, and it moved not just over this part of Phoenix, it moved all the way from outside Flagstaff through the valley and then down towards Tempe.

1:14:47 Speaker 1: Now, how did you know about it? You were there working? Did you hear about it?

1:14:50 Speaker 5: But there was a guy that ran into the lab and who had actually been in the military, so you would't believe what's going on. So so yeah, I was there that night and nineteen ninety seven, March of ninety seven. Now, what's equally interesting if you look at this now, the Belgian Air Force cooperated with me very very nicely back in the early nineties and late eighties. You may have remembered there was this wave of things that happened in eastern Belgium where there were these massive triangles that were about eight hundred feet on each side that were photographed, radar traced, chased by F sixteen's on it, and we have all this, and the head of the Belgian Air Force actually showed the radar of one of these objects going from hover to several thousand miles per hour straight up into space, way outside the envelope of any normal conventional propulsions.

1:15:45 Speaker 5: See they have a video of this radardar, radar of it, and we have this, so you know, the question becomes, how many of these cases do you need to have before you say there's something out there? And I think this is what the problem is that on this subject, the ridicule around it, and that the disinformation and the crazy stories that are out there is what dominates the serious pun intended. Perhaps the serious stuff really gets left on the cutting room floor by most movie directors and media and even on the Internet.

1:16:17 Speaker 5: It's very hard, and I think to pick your way through it's very difficult what I've tried to do, and it's not that I've done a perfect job of it. I've done the best I can with a lot of help. But remember we've never been funded. We're all volunteer effort, and so what we've tried to do is get people who have the really good stuff from governments come forward and share it. And this is why, you know, when the Space Agency of France released a lot of their documents after I was having some meetings in France, and with some of the scenes.

1:16:49 Speaker 1: You can't say it both was.

1:16:54 Speaker 5: It was France when I was there and when it's here at France. And you know that there's an admiral that were with us in France who's a wonderful guy, and he's an MD and a PhD in an Amerald, and you know he knows all this is very real. And so eventually the French government really I believe it was about one hundred thousand pages of documents on all of this. And now since the Disclosure Project launched ten or twelve years ago, there are fourteen countries who've opened up their files. Now, christ the United States isn't because the United States has managed differently on this issue.

1:17:30 Speaker 5: It's a compartment. It unacknowledged the.

1:17:32 Speaker 1: Former Soviet Union has actually been pretty open more recently and more recent times about.

1:17:37 Speaker 5: Them when it first fell apart. Not so much now, but when it first fell apart, we have a great dossi of KGB cases and files and also military and in fact, some of the cosmonauts that had had encounters with these I pulled together in nineteen ninety five for a meeting with some of our astronauts like Agri Mitchell, to have a meeting out here in California. So you know, there are some really solid cases out of the Soviet Union.

1:18:05 Speaker 1: Does Edgar Mitchell claim to have had a personal experience.

1:18:08 Speaker 5: No, No, he's just investigated it and has concluded that this is all very real, and he did come with me. I invited him to the briefing we set up for the head of intelligence for the Joint chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon, and I think it was very interesting for him to have learned that people at that level were shaken to their foundations because they concluded this was all real, but when they made inquiries, they were being lied to and denied access. And so this brings up this question who's running this show and who's over who the Foxes are guarding the hen House.

1:18:41 Speaker 5: And this exactly goes back to Eisenhower's warning. But you know, we're fifty years into that era now, and so half a century later. As big of a screw up as it was in nineteen sixty one when Eisenhower warned us about it, it's ten times worse than that now, and so much so that I have concluded that the way we change the dynamic on this is that the people will lead, the leaders will have to follow. We do the disclosure, we bring out these technologies, we set up teams to make contact, and we just bypassed.

1:19:11 Speaker 1: The government the evidence that you have this or possible evidence of this alien life.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Before that, this is a more recent thing.

1:19:21 Speaker 1: This is fairly recent. Right before that, what was the most compelling piece of physical evidence that you've ever encountered?

1:19:28 Speaker 5: I would have to say that it's these really well documented, complex cases that involve documents, radar cases with photographs and multiple corroborating in credible witnesses.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Such as what about landing sites?

1:19:42 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean we do. I actually have been given materials from where the sites of land into very anomalous. A great case that's in the French files that they released in the Japan was it called Japan This the Space Agency like NASA release was the Provence case of nineteen eighty one leave when one of these objects landed in a lavender field of all places, where just smelled awesome. Yeah.

1:20:07 Speaker 1: Well it was a.

1:20:08 Speaker 5: Commercial lavender farm and so cool, and it was wee hours of the morning and this thing lands. The farmer comes out and it's this disc shaped craft. I think it was in the fifty foot diameter range and there were these little beans outside picking lavender. Now this sounds crazy, like amount of science.

1:20:28 Speaker 2: Fiction, like you a little guy.

1:20:30 Speaker 5: No, No, from what I remember, like four feet five feet in that range. And then but it left this spot where it had landed and there were anomalies electromagnetic sort of radiation into the soil. And this was actually studied by the French government concluded to be an absolutely real case, just like the bent Waters Royal Air Force Base case in England was determined to be an authentic case of a landing. So these sort of landing casees that have also Now at the time there weren't many people coming forward.

1:21:05 Speaker 5: Now we have all these military people coming forward corroborating they were there they saw this, and now the documents are getting released from the UK and France, but in the United States it's still a black hole.

1:21:16 Speaker 1: Now we're going to play your trailer for the urcoming film Serious. You got to pull up, Brian. Is it huged all the way through?

1:21:24 Speaker 5: Here we sit twenty twelve with the world still burning oil and gas and coal, when we have had all the information we need to have had a completely new civilization.

1:21:37 Speaker 2: Doctor Stephen Greer is absolutely a hero.

1:21:40 Speaker 5: In the councils of government, we misguard again the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether it's sought or unsought by the military industrial companies.

1:21:51 Speaker 1: You know, hundreds of billions of dollars burning. The public would be a little annoyed, all right, sit down and shut up.

1:22:02 Speaker 3: I was told to pray, not to meditate. I was told to talk, not to listen.

1:22:07 Speaker 1: I'm learning to listen.

1:22:09 Speaker 5: The primary purpose is to train people to understand these other civilizations and their cultures. I don't get what goddamn what anybody else says about it. I saw that, But who do you tell without them look at it?

1:22:21 Speaker 1: You like you ain't graph two type.

1:22:23 Speaker 4: And I was a part of the United States air Force cover up for eighteen years.

1:22:28 Speaker 1: What we are attempting to achieve as a device which defuits the perpendicular force of gravity.

1:22:35 Speaker 5: When we look at our data, we lost seven percent of weight.

1:22:39 Speaker 2: We now have the technology to take et home.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Consciousness is at once the most familiar thing to us and the most mysterious.

1:22:46 Speaker 5: It doesn't take much effort. You could just clear your mind. People are afraid of looking at technology.

1:22:52 Speaker 1: Paul Brown, stuff got basically suppressed for many years.

1:22:55 Speaker 5: If you got murdered, the problem is not proving that you appose exists. Is when you begin to expose the energy and propulsion system behind how they're getting here. M hm, you should push said.

1:23:30 Speaker 2: That little thing freaked me out.

1:23:32 Speaker 5: Really yeah, well, you know, I don't mean to sound callous, but being a you know, doctor, I've seen so many worse things. But it's actually fascinating, fascinating.

1:23:39 Speaker 1: I mean, it freaked me out, not that it's a dead body of dead things. It freaked me out that that might be a life form. By the way, well, it was.

1:23:46 Speaker 5: A life form. We know for a fact it was a life form. What it was what we're investigating, and I think that you know, you know, one of our witnesses who was on a retrieval team of retrieving extraterrestrial bodies from craft that we had targeted. You know, I's talked about the fact that there are many different species that have been cataloged over the years, and at one point, I think it was in the late sixties, there were like sixty eight or sixty nine or something in that range. You know, if you look at space and look at the stars, probably every stable star system has planets around it they're discovering, and there's the likelihood that there's an enormous diversity of life out there, is a statistical certainty.

1:24:27 Speaker 5: Even the conventional astronomers and the Drake formula will support that. The question is, you know, have they gotten here? Well, you most probably wouldn't be able to, just like we weren't for thousands and thousands of years. But there's such hubris to think that, you know, we're at the pinnacle of the technology on Earth in twenty thirteen.

1:24:46 Speaker 1: We're not.

1:24:47 Speaker 5: And I think that, and I think that, you know, when you begin to look at the progression of technology, once you reach a breakout point, as we have in the last century here. In fact, most of the big breakthroughs and technologies no one knows about. They exist, but they're in a classified project. And that's I think as big or a bigger story than the et story is the fact that there is a cabal of, as I said, sociopathic, misanthropic folks who have decided their macroeconomic grip on power needs to be maintained through this sort of ruthless secrecy, and where they keep from the public this information.

1:25:24 Speaker 5: Not because they think people are going to hurl themselves off the Brooklyn Bridge, because we're not alone in the universe, but because when this comes out, and this information comes out, it means that the sciences already exist so that we can get off oil and gas and coal. And you know what, a Goldman Sachs guy said, that's a six hundred trillion dollar nut. You're cracking right there. Trillion. And because if you look at all the oil in the ground, the coal in the ground, the commodities trading, the Petra dollar system, the utilities, the internal combustion engines, all of that is defunct, extinct stuff, or should be.

1:25:56 Speaker 5: And so here we are cannibalizing this planet for no good reason except that there's a handful of folks, and you look at the sort of centralization of wealth and power there is in the world. Now, it's the most extreme it's ever been in human history. Right now, right this minute, this instant. So you know there's two hundred to three hundred individuals and corporations that have over half the network of the world.

1:26:20 Speaker 1: You know the guy in the beginning of your video that says that your genius David Wilcock. Do you know who that guy is? Oh?

1:26:27 Speaker 5: Yes, I know who he is.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: Do you know that he also thinks that he's Edgar Casey reincarnated and shows you pictures.

1:26:32 Speaker 5: I have no idea that's news to me.

1:26:34 Speaker 1: Edgar Casey's friends and how his friends look like Edgar Casey's friends. Really, do you ever watched any of that guy's lectures?

1:26:40 Speaker 5: No, I haven't. Yeah, I mean some of the team interviewed him, but I don't.

1:26:44 Speaker 2: I want to do a little editing. You might want to do a little editing with that one.

1:26:48 Speaker 1: Not saying that anything else in your documentary is bullshit, but that guy makes my radar detect to go off. The evidence that this this technology has been suppressed? Is there evidence that like this free energy technology has been.

1:27:09 Speaker 5: There's a huge amount of evidence.

1:27:11 Speaker 2: Do you reveal this in this documentary.

1:27:13 Speaker 5: There's a whole document trail. And one of the things we got some years ago was a demand from the Department of Defense to the FBI that they turned over the secret papers of Nikola Tesla that were stolen. And we have this document, and you know what happened to them and what were they trying to hide. The Federation of American Scientists, a very big mainstream organization in Washington that has a national security research project associated with the Federation American Scientists, came out about two years ago with a report that there were five thousand, one hundred and thirty five patents that had been seized under the National Security Act and that some of these things were energy related.

1:27:54 Speaker 5: One of them, in nineteen seventy one was only a solar photo generator. You know, we're from sunlight to electricity photobotic that was more than twenty percent efficient now you can't even get that now, but meaning that it was probably like forty fifty percent turning sunlight directly into electricity, and it had a national security order slapped on it. And this mainstream scientific group says, how could that be a threat to national security. It would have been a threat to the domination of oil and coal and the petro dollar system.

1:28:25 Speaker 5: So you know, this is not a conspiracy theory. There are entities that have conspired and you look at the wealth and power behind these entities. I mean, people have been killed for a lot less than this.

1:28:35 Speaker 2: It really is.

1:28:36 Speaker 1: That is such a loaded word, that conspiracy. It's unfortunate that it's necessary to use because it's been so co opted.

1:28:43 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's really more about special interest in cartels always acting in their interest and if you've got the power, you're going to use it. And you know what here and here's the problem if the people allow it to happen. And obviously reading an article in the New Republic about this that if you whether you're you know, letting Saddam Hussein or the Libyan dictator Moumarktafi or whatever it is, or you have to give them that power. We give the power to the government ultimately by our passivity.

1:29:15 Speaker 5: And so ultimately, you know, I'm not one of these people who runs around saying, oh, well, you know, they're these boogeymen that are doing everything and we're just hapless creatures. If we're allowing it, if we're not part of the solution, we're part of the problem. If we're if we're allowing it by our inaction and passivity because we want to be bread and circus people sitting around eating, you know, cheetos and watching Jay Leno, which is fine. But if that's all we're doing and we're not trying to fix this problem, then you know, obviously the passivity of the public and our politicians who don't want to risk their career or danger in that power vacuum, you're going to have these sort of people step And I think there's a power vacuum that existed for a little while after World War Two that gave an entry to these folks.

1:30:01 Speaker 5: I think that it will continue for as long as we let them do it.

1:30:04 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious when you look at the fact that this is the age of information, where information is being distributed more freely and more easily than ever before. Yet this is also the age where the government is continuing to attack the Bill of Rights, continuing to slowly but surely restrict our rights and civil liberties and make it so that if they deem you a threat to the nation, in any way, shape or form. They can essentially detain you. They don't have to do anything legal, they don't have to contact your family.

1:30:33 Speaker 1: This is all stuff that's being past now, and that seems to me to point to the fact that they're looking at this what is the what's where, where's it going? What's if you look at it on a graph, if you look at it, if you project the future, well it's going towards some ultimate free information space. And if it gets to that, then it's going to be revealed exactly how much fucker he's been going on for all these decades, and how much craziness has been going on behind the scenes. And it's going to come to a point in time where the government is going to have to be accountable for where all the money goes every year in tax dollars, and right now they're not.

1:31:08 Speaker 1: You give them your tax dollars, you don't get a receipt, You don't know what the fuck happens. There's a congressional budget meetings and the Senate, you know, gets together, and the President puts out his plan and the financial people get involved. But how much access do we actually have as to where your doctor, Stephen Grier's financial records or your tax dollars go almost nothing.

1:31:30 Speaker 5: Oh, we don't know. And you know, even the folks who I know an auditor for the federal government who audits north or Grumman, and he said, one of the problems is that once you get to a compartmental, compartmented project that's eyes only and it's unacknowledged, they're not going to tell you anything. They won't even acknowledge it exists. So how is there any check and balance on that?

1:31:49 Speaker 2: It's essentially a dictatorship.

1:31:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, when it gets to that, really you're you're you're essentially dealing with the dictatorship. It's just dressed up as a democracy. But their ability to act is completely They have total community.

1:32:00 Speaker 2: They can do whatever the fuck they want. They don't they don't they don't have to work if.

1:32:03 Speaker 5: We let them. And here's the other problem with that, you know, is that the macroeconomic system, you know, we're supposed to be a free market economy. Well, how free can the market be if there have been decades of confiscation and suppression of these advanced transdimensional energy devices and these so called over unity free energy devices, and that if that's going on. It can completely lays to waste the whole concept of a free market. So, yeah, it's a free market if you want to tinker around the edges and come out with an iPhone and five instead of an iPhone four or you know whatever version of this and that.

1:32:38 Speaker 5: Right, But let's not forget that your computer that you think is so cool, you're charging it off a grid that's an eighteen hundreds coal fired power grid for the most part. And so you know, we really have to wake up to the fact that our society has been held back, retarded really seriously by this kind of secrecy. And so the secrecy is actually becoming a threat to our continue not just our liberty, but it's an existential threat to the planet. And moreover, it keeps forcing all these unintended consequences where we stay encamped in the Middle East and you know the buzzword in Washington because of our vital national security interests, well, that's code for oil.

1:33:20 Speaker 5: Just forget the BS. That means oil, because you say, well, what about Israel. Israel has two or three hundred nuclear weapons and they may I live there for three years. Believe me when I tell you, they can take care of this. I mean, you know, if there's an existential threat to Israel, you know they can handle it. They don't need big brother of America there.

1:33:38 Speaker 1: But don't they mean, isn't it. Don't they get a tremendous amount of funding from US and weapons.

1:33:42 Speaker 5: Or they get funding. But I'm just saying we don't. That's not the reason we're in all those vast areas of the Middle East. It's because of the oil interest, of course. And you know, and this becomes a question of why, Well, because if you have a device that would fit on the table here that run your house, you don't be on the grid or your car, put in the boot of your car, and you have enormous.

1:34:03 Speaker 1: Amount of power electric how would that work?

1:34:07 Speaker 5: Those are called zero point or quantum vacuum electromagnetic generators, and basically, through very high voltage systems, you create a vector into this baseline energy field that it really holds the universe together. And you know, they start talking about the Higgs field and the negative energy of the matter of the universe. But for years it's been proven that this zero point energy field exists through what's called the Casimir effect. And I'll get into the Arcana of the physics of it. But this is published in mainstream journals.

1:34:38 Speaker 5: The question is how do you tap it and can you The answer is yes, and it have been, but they keep suppressing scientists and inventors who come up with it. There's a man that I know who worked at Lawrence Berkeley Labs, and he was using a coiled array around a barium tight K eight crystal and using very high voltages with certain hurts, certain pulses. He was able to get ten times more energy out than was going in because the crystaline structure was tapping into this zero point energy field that is in the fabric of space and time.

1:35:10 Speaker 5: So there's an enormous amount of power. It's been estimated that every cubic centimeter or space not out of space space in this room has enough energy to run the Earth for a day if you could tap it. So the question becomes, if you can do that, you're not going to need to have your car filled up at a gas station or utility to con it or whoever it is, and those sort of interests of Trump, the technical ones, the technological issues, I believe it can be fixed. It's a strategic issue that's the problem.

1:35:39 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you because I need to know about this experiment. Where was this taking place?

1:35:44 Speaker 2: Is this peer reviewed?

1:35:45 Speaker 1: Is this something that has been it was confiscated.

1:35:48 Speaker 5: The man that had this happen, it's a physicist and some goons broke into his lab, broke it up at the experiment, and the basic took him and put him in a mental hospital for a while.

1:36:02 Speaker 2: Where did this happen?

1:36:03 Speaker 5: Lawrence Berkeley Labs in the eighties.

1:36:05 Speaker 1: Okay, so seventies or eighties. Do we know exactly what he did? And is it reproducible?

1:36:10 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:36:11 Speaker 2: I think so. Why has no one reproduced this? It doesn't make any sense.

1:36:14 Speaker 5: Because you have to have a whole lot of specialized equipment to do it right, and people have tried what here's getting. Really, the reason we're doing this film is that one hundred percent of the proceeds from it are going to go in to build a new energy lab, so all this stuff that we've collected can be done. I think with the intelligence we've gathered in between one and two years, we will come out with at least a generation one point zero of these energy systems. Because I have thousands of pages of documents on this and many many physicists who worked in these programs.

1:36:45 Speaker 5: But you've got to have a properly equipped lab, you've got to have security, you've got to have the whole world watching. And this would not be a secret project like the skunk Works at Lockheed. This would be I would am I, it would be like this to be streamed, so all the work going on in that lab, the whole world watching. Okay, sorry, because I don't think you can do this secretibly.

1:37:03 Speaker 1: How come you know about this story? How come you know about this experiment tapping into zero point energy? But this is not common knowledge amongst nuclear physicists. This is not something that's discussed in the mainstream news. This is not something that you can find information online in any credible source.

1:37:18 Speaker 2: No one is real.

1:37:19 Speaker 1: It seems to me that if there was an experiment that tapped into such an unbelievably unlimited supply of energy like that, it would be impossible to keep this under wraps, that you would be able to keep the conversation under wraps.

1:37:32 Speaker 5: No, it's not true. And in fact, if you go to the website series disclosure dot com, there's a portal there to the energy research and there are thousands of documents and pages of stuff, things that were reported in the media, and then they got confiscated and shut down. But you're asking this question as if academia and the media are operating freely, not under the suppressive behaviors.

1:37:53 Speaker 1: And I think I'm asking the question actually because just the nature of human curiosity and incredibly brilliant intelligent men that are out there that study energy, I would think that someone would look into this and examine it.

1:38:05 Speaker 5: Okay, well there is And in fact, one of the people that we were funding for a while before he got threatened by a former CIA director who went down to his skiff a secure communication intelligence facility, was an understudy of Will ms Bender at the University of Washington.

1:38:20 Speaker 2: He got threatened in what they said.

1:38:22 Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy four, I think it was seventy four. He formed a company, and he's a brilliant and one of the most brilliant people I've ever met who and he had developed these trans dimensional systems using electromagnetic energy, and some guys came in with a national security order told him that they were confiscating his equipment, his device, his notes, They were all going into the vault and this man who I knew very well, who stayed at my home and still works for under contract with CIA in various groups.

1:38:57 Speaker 5: He said that basically the intelligence community owns his soul and that it can only do only so much to provide information and bring this out. And you know, people who think that doesn't happen are living in a very naive world.

1:39:12 Speaker 2: This is forty years ago though you're talking about.

1:39:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it would happen. That was forty years ago when the thing he started. Then when he after I developed a relationship with him, he checked with his intelligence what they called the shepherds and his handlers and the intelligence community. They said, yes, you can work with doctor Greer, not on the propulsion stuff that flies around like a UFO, but just on the energy generation part of this. And so we provided a grant to him through my project, the Orion Project.

1:39:39 Speaker 1: So the government limits his ability to do research on specific topics.

1:39:45 Speaker 5: Well, he actually is on the payroll the government now because he was basically told it's this, so you have no career at all. And if he had disclosed what he had been invented in nineteen seventy four under the National Security Order, he was hit with he would have been imprisoned. And these exist. You can look it up as section one eighty one eighty one of the Patent law in the National Security Act. These national security orders happen all the time. So but who's author right, You think President Obama or the or the Senate Intelligence Committee knows that these goons are out there doing this stuff.

1:40:17 Speaker 5: No, And so here's this brilliant guy. But I mean he's not like he's Rambo. I mean he's an engineer and a physicist. So he develops this stuff. A bunch of guys come in who are badass folks, okay, and he's terrified. And so then all these years later it circles back around. We get hold of him and we say, look, okay, here's you know, some funds do this for us on a you know, generation one point zero version of this something, and check with your intelligence folks. And they cleared him. About the time he was beginning to put this thing together, a FORMERCYI directed with a bunch of goons came down in twenty ten is two years three years ago, threatened him, threatened his family and so that you are not going to do this any further, and made it very clear.

1:41:05 Speaker 5: One of the guys at the naval research labs I've worked with for years who had some of this information, he was told, we will kill you, your wife, your children, and your grandchildren if you step out of line on this. So I don't think that you know, in terms of dealing with this, that you're going to be able to do it under any kind of where someone's trying to do it quietly secretively. It's going to have to be in plain sight.

1:41:27 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that several people have tried to do this in the past one hundred every time, and every time they do it, they're threatened and stop from doing it. What specialized pieces of equipment would be necessary to produce this zero point energy field thing?

1:41:42 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you know your your computer in lights who are running on one ten or two twenty all right, voltage. The voltage is involved in these transdimensional physics is in the thousands to millions of volts, but it very low current, and so you have to have special analyzers and generators for that. So, I mean, there is a science to this, and we understand it very very well. Actually, But building up that lab, I mean we looked into the equipment just as like half a million dollars just to do that.

1:42:11 Speaker 5: And so what you have to do is.

1:42:13 Speaker 1: It seems like nothing if you're talking about half a million dollars, that can.

1:42:16 Speaker 5: No, no, that's just the equipment. No no, no, there's no no building, no personnel, no staff, no nothing, just you know, the machine. So but so we estimate we have a budget for about a two year program around six million dollars to put a lab together, put these really brilliant people in it, get the right equipment, and build up these experiments and do real science. But the problem is you have people off on their own doing this that stumble across this phenomenon and they get shut down or threatened or bought out.

1:42:46 Speaker 5: Then you know, you have the folks who will be instead of threatened, they'll just be offered money. You know, So a lot of people. Doctor beard and tells the story of a man that had one of these generators and he was tested it was a legitimate over unity system, and then the guy disappeared, and the next time he saw the guy, he had a Ferrari and an Armani suit. And the guy never had a pot pan as it were, And and you know, What we found with this is that a lot of times folks will just say, look, you know, we're going to buy this, and a lot of people don't believe that happens, and they think that's a conspiracy theory.

1:43:23 Speaker 5: It isn't a conspiracy theory. And this is why the Federation of American Scientists when they said, look, they're fivey one hundred and thirty five or something like that patents that have been seized. Most people don't know that those national security orders can happen outside of the patent process. So even if you're not going the patent route, they can go in there and just seize the damn thing. And what are you gonna do?

1:43:43 Speaker 1: They just seize it based on the idea that it's somehow another threat.

1:43:46 Speaker 5: Well you, I mean, it's kind of like the flag in the Bible and that you be wrap yourself in these things to do all kinds of outrageous behaviors. Yes, but I mean, you can say it's national security. But as this one document from the Federal American Scientist says, how could a solar volt system be a threat to the national security? It would be a threat to the special interests that are calling the shots. So the question becomes, who's really calling the shots on these sort of decisions. Is it in the interests of we the people?

1:44:14 Speaker 5: No, it's in the interest of folks who want to protect their cartels.

1:44:19 Speaker 1: What is your take on guys who have come clean before, Guys like doctor Robert Lazar.

1:44:27 Speaker 2: Is that guy full of shit?

1:44:28 Speaker 1: He's the guy from Area fifty one that came back and said that he was back engineering some alien craft and very compelling to listen to, very interesting guy. But before I understand, doctor Stanton Friedman questioned him and in fact called him a fraud and said that some of his educational background was kind of made up.

1:44:49 Speaker 5: And here's the problem with any case where you hang it on one person like that is very risky. And that's why I've tried to resist that. When we started putting together the people who knew about the nuclear facilities with their UFOs coming over, I didn't want one or two. I wanted half a dozen or a dozen. That's what we have. The more spectacular the cases if it hangs on one person and the other question is where's the corroboration? So I think that that's why we try to focus on that. Now, I will say that the areas out in the Knells range, and nobody, by the way, cause it area fifty one.

1:45:24 Speaker 5: But will let's say that because they pahot MESA S four, S three, S twelve, and actually this National Reconnaissance Office document from the nineteen nineties lists those facilities there properly.

1:45:40 Speaker 1: You know.

1:45:41 Speaker 5: Well, that's after Blackjack control.

1:45:43 Speaker 1: They had to apply for additional land. Before that, they denied it entirely. They had to apply for additional land because people were getting so close so they could film footage of some of these crafts that they were experimenting on.

1:45:55 Speaker 2: And that's not.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: Bullshit if you've ever seen. No one knows, ye knows what those things were, but the way they were moving was extraordinary. They moved unlike any craft that we know. I would assume that if you look at what we're doing today in all different parts of the world with drones, especially these drones that have hell fire missiles that can be fairly accurate, when you're considering that they're being operated by someone halfway across the world, that this probably has something to do with what they were working on back then when they're making these things fly around and do all these crazy turns and twists in the sky.

1:46:33 Speaker 5: No, because the drones that are being reported are conventional propulsion systems, either air jets or what we're talking about are things that are moving in a way that is outside the envelope of normal aerodynamic behavior. In other words, you cannot take something with a normal propeller or jet engine and accelerated it twenty thousand miles per hour and make a right hand turn. And we have photos and images of these things doing this. So when you're doing that, that's going to your brains, are going to come out of your nose if you're a pilot, and even a conventional object is going to be blown to smithereens by the inertial forces of that kind of turn and decceleration.

1:47:09 Speaker 2: I think we will be talking about two different things though.

1:47:11 Speaker 5: No, I'm not talking about.

1:47:13 Speaker 2: But you're talking about things that have been seen in space.

1:47:16 Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about things that had area fifty one at Area fifty one and also all over the world that have been documented moving in this way. Those are moving and I'm quoting actually General Debrauer of the Belgian Air Force Chief who said, this is outside the envelope of any conventional aerodynamic system.

1:47:33 Speaker 2: I'm not questioning that.

1:47:34 Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that the things that I've seen as far as videos from Area fifty one with these unidentified objects, whatever they were moving across the sky, they weren't moving that fast.

1:47:45 Speaker 2: Well, they were moving conventional speech.

1:47:48 Speaker 5: Oh, that's conventional, so that could be. But I'm talking about the things that I know that have been imaged out there, including a daytime object. We have a great video.

1:47:57 Speaker 2: What is this video that you're showing us, Brian?

1:47:59 Speaker 1: What was uh?

1:48:00 Speaker 4: This is uh lower your forty nine quad copters in an outdoor formation flight?

1:48:06 Speaker 2: That okay, let me see that.

1:48:08 Speaker 3: It's a pretty pretty bad ass the video.

1:48:10 Speaker 1: This is uh, these are these are conventional? Uh you could actually buy these right? Not these I'm not sure are they DARPA? Is this darker shit?

1:48:20 Speaker 3: This is ours electronic?

1:48:23 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but actually you can buy a little military so.

1:48:27 Speaker 1: We could see. Yeah, if you've never seen this, what they can do now is really extraordinary. I mean, this is all these drones moving or what do you call them?

1:48:38 Speaker 3: What are these are just like little toys?

1:48:39 Speaker 5: Almost?

1:48:39 Speaker 1: Yeah they are.

1:48:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm sure a lot of people saw this in the sky. I was like, oh my god, what the fuck's that? And called it? You know UFOs.

1:48:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look how they move. I mean, this is really amazing stuff. They move in a geometric pattern in the sky right that mimics galaxies?

1:48:54 Speaker 5: All right, cool?

1:48:55 Speaker 1: So we know that there's some things that I mean, these are obviously terrestrial crafts. This is something.

1:48:59 Speaker 2: Look look what they're doing. I mean, that's amazing. This is not UFOs, of course, is identified flying.

1:49:06 Speaker 5: I mean not everything that people see that they don't know what it is as a UFO. I mean it's unignowlged. Well, it's unidentified to them, and it may be flying. But you know, I'm talking about things that are really quite amazing, like this one photograph we have of this triangle that's going like this and it makes a right hand turning and it's going in the photograph.

1:49:23 Speaker 2: Or video photo. Can we see this somewhere?

1:49:26 Speaker 5: Uh, it's I don't know where it's going to be in the film.

1:49:31 Speaker 1: But it's going to be in the film. But it's it's available online, isn't it. I mean it must. I don't know how long has it's been around for. I'll have to look it up.

1:49:39 Speaker 2: I don't have to.

1:49:39 Speaker 5: I don't have to cut the film in here, but I you know this is one. You know, there are a number of these.

1:49:43 Speaker 2: But this is a very compelling piece of evidence.

1:49:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing.

1:49:46 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you put.

1:49:47 Speaker 1: That online immediately and say, hey, you got to look at this. This is a compelling piece of.

1:49:51 Speaker 5: I think it is online somewhere, but I mean, I just can't tell you where. You know, we we have thousands of pages on our website. You can go if you go to a serious disclosure dot com you can click through and there's a whole photo gallery and all kinds of stuff.

1:50:03 Speaker 2: Okay, good.

1:50:04 Speaker 5: I don't know if this particular one is in that photo gallery. But for example, you look at the Vancouver Island photograph of a few years ago. I mean I think it was in the eighties, daytime disc with a dome. It is not a photoshopped. I was studied at NASA ames. It's probably the clearest photograph ever taking broad daylight. And you know what is that? Well, you know, it's just like these ones from Belgium where you have these photographs of these big triangular objects and their photo and video of those matching up with radar cases and jet pilots chasing them.

1:50:35 Speaker 5: I'm talking about those kind of things. There's actually more than people can imagine that's out there.

1:50:41 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's enough of these things where if you look at I believe Michokaku said five percent of all UFO sightings are completely unexplainable to find laws of physics and may possibly be, in his opinion, something that we don't understand or could be possibly.

1:50:58 Speaker 5: So that's what I'm talking about. The other stuff.

1:51:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think they're doing here?

1:51:05 Speaker 5: That's a sixty four trillion dollar question. I think I think there are a number of things. Number one, I don't think there it's new at all. I don't think there's a new phenomenon. There's enough material out there from ancient times that would indicate that these objects have been around since recorded history. I mentioned this earlier in the show. But secondly, I think this stage of our evolution, these civilizations are rather concerned about our potential to destroy this planet and ourselves, but also the fact we're going into space.

1:51:37 Speaker 5: We have not become peaceful, and in they're classified projects, we have things way beyond the International Space Station, so that we could become an existential threat to other planets potentially, So I think that there is a concern about that, and I think that you know, there are all these movies, you know, Battle Los Angeles and Independence Day and.

1:51:55 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah Avatar the other way.

1:51:58 Speaker 5: You know, it's yeah, and it's such me. It's like, okay, yeah, It's like when I went to write Petterson Air Force Base where they hit the Blue room that that very Goldwater tried sender to Goldwater tried to get in and you.

1:52:09 Speaker 2: Know thee yeah, yeah.

1:52:11 Speaker 5: It wasn't that. But but the thing is is.

1:52:13 Speaker 1: That hangary team right Patterson Air Force p Yeah, but this is a different thing in right Patterson Air Force per.

1:52:18 Speaker 5: Right, it's called the Blue Room.

1:52:20 Speaker 2: Is that where supposedly the Roswell wreckage was.

1:52:23 Speaker 5: The air Material Command. And then when I was there.

1:52:25 Speaker 1: That, by the way, very compelling piece of evidence that there might have been something serious going on other than a weather balloon. The fact that two separate planes were used to send this wreckage, because in case one of them went down, it was so historically significant. I have that that newspaper, the Roswell Daily Record. I have that page on my wall in my house and I look at it all the time. It's a fascinating I mean, it's it's essentially a press release by the military saying we recovered a crash.

1:52:53 Speaker 5: Disc before they pulled it back. Yeah.

1:52:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing because that's that's a big statement, you know, I mean, look at all the things that could have been they could have been wrong about, like, oh, it could have been something else. But the fact that they came out and said it's a crash disc that had never been done before that that really was one of the first.

1:53:13 Speaker 5: I think some heads rolled over that press release. But because they had to pull it back.

1:53:18 Speaker 1: Well then they did that ridiculous dog and Pony show where they brought out this shitty.

1:53:22 Speaker 2: Looking aluminum Yeah, it kind of looks like a thing. It's hilarious that that's quite hilarious.

1:53:26 Speaker 1: And the government I've always i mean, if you just look at the history deception that the government has in dealing with the American public from the get go, and whether it's with the Gulf of Tonkin incident or whether it's what happened with the Contras and the Sandinistas using I mean, you know, taxpayer dollars and black ops from selling cocaine in the ghettos of Los Angeles to fun rebel armies. If you just look, you got to know they're not telling the truth. Why would they tell the truth if it was just a weather balloon?

1:53:55 Speaker 1: Would they really put on this fucking dog and pony show where they'd have a general sit there and was a colonel whoever it was, on his knees pointing out all the rest who look at this?

1:54:04 Speaker 5: He is just wrecked right, Well, that's what Colonel Corso said that you know, there's no question that this was something very legitimate. And in fact, you know when Barry Goldwater, Senator Goldwater, who had McCain seat before John McCain took it in Arizona, I was at his home some years ago and he had left the Senate and he told me, he said, look, he says it was a goddamn mistake. Then he said, goddamn mistake now that this was ever kept secret. But he was an Air Force reserved general, and he told me.

1:54:33 Speaker 5: Senator Goldwater said, look, I asked Curtis LeMay, General LeMay to get me into the blue room at right Patterson because I wanted to see this stuff. Because he had heard reports from other pilots about UFO encounters, and Senator Goldwater told me that Curtis May said, look, Barry, I can't even get into that area anymore. And if you ever asked me about this again, I will personally see that you are a court martialed out of the Air Force Reserves. This to a sitting senator and a guy who'd run for president, of course in nineteen sixty five, that actually happened.

1:55:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's amazing, amazing. Well, I was sitting there with the senator, and I have a guy who was there with me, and you know what when I asked him was was Was Curtis May serious? He said, yeah, like a heart attack, he says. I never brought it up again. And so the question becomes, you know, when you have someone like Curtis le May who admits and if you google who he was, who admits to the fact that at a certain point even he was being kind of sidelined in terms of access of this information, and then threatens and says something like that to a sitting powerful US senator.

1:55:44 Speaker 5: Did they were good friends? I mean, they were buddies. You know, there's there's something going on here. And I've heard too many accounts like that from these sorts of people. And I think it's a it's a time for people to understand that, you know, ruthless people are out there and they do this sort of stuff. So you know, when when what happened for the last sixty years continues to go on and on and on, the people who try to move into this who are politicians, end up hitting the same boat. Saw that Senator Goldwater did.

1:56:21 Speaker 1: These incredibly powerful, technologically advanced beings that come here from another planet and are concerned with the fact that we've developed the power to blow ourselves up, but yet lack the understanding, the intellect, or the spiritual capacity to recognize what the dangers and the repercussions of those actions would be. What are they are they? Does anybody communicating with them? Does anybody have a message from them? Is there anything that they say will be done if we keep fucking around?

1:56:50 Speaker 2: I mean, is there is there.

1:56:53 Speaker 1: Like any any any doctrine that they're trying to push on us? Oh?

1:57:00 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's any doctrine. I think they're waiting for us to reach you know, uh, you know you mentioned this, physicist, but you have you know, a level one civilization or a level two where we begin to behave in a halfway civilized way, so that we could be quite open in our contact. But I think, you know, I think everyone always says, well, why don't they just land on the White House long or something? I said, yeah, right, who's white House?

1:57:22 Speaker 1: Right?

1:57:23 Speaker 5: Humans are America?

1:57:25 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

1:57:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, so maybe the White House in Bogota, Columbia. I think the question is, uh, it turns it the whole issue upside down. What do we have to do as a people in a civilization to uh be able to go into space and have open contact with these civilizations quite in an overt way as opposed to episodic way. And I think that requires us to begin begin to behave peacefully. It certainly requires that we not begin to weaponize space, and that we stop doing things that are incredibly self destructive. But you know, the idea that they're going to land here and and for it's like us going to Afghanistan.

1:58:07 Speaker 5: Think we're going to impose Jeffersonian democracy on a medieval feudal society. Really that never has worked. So I think these civilizations are smart enough to know that that isn't the way this is going to happen that humans have. But the problem is that I kind of think we're running out of time to get some things right, things that should have been fixed one hundred years ago, like living together peacefully, bringing out these technologies that we don't destroy the biosphere, eliminating poverty in the world.

1:58:34 Speaker 5: You know, forty eight percent of the public doesn't have a pot the pen literally, they don't have indoor plumbing on this planet. Forty eight percent of the seven billion people. A lot of people don't know that. So, you know, I think that until we begin to fix some of these larger problems. And the good news about all this is that it's fixable, and the means that technologies to do that are already in existence. So if they're already in existence, and the science is and studied and suppressed and studied in suppressed for decades, it means that we as a people have to come together and say, all right, we're going to do this.

1:59:07 Speaker 5: And I think this is why the sort of hate to use the word activists or advocacy part of what we're doing is that people are always expecting someone else to do this, you know,

1:59:20 Speaker 5: and I think people have to say no, each of us have to be responsible for the planet and for our future and kind of creating a good future. You can't look to big Brother to do it, and I don't think you should look through the ets to do it, and not that they're not going to help us if we at some point we reached a point of being functional as opposed to dysfunctional. But I think the prime movers have to be the people. We the people and my mom's family were some of the original people in the American Revolution.

1:59:49 Speaker 5: We fact terrible to say we were the first prisoner of war with the British, But I think about the fact that you know, here you had this ragtag bunch of people in the American rev illusion taken on the most powerful navy and most powerful empire in the world the time, the British Empire. I think people have to see that within the human spirit, we have the means to do this, and a lot of people give too much power to where I don't think it should be provided to these covert groups and these sort of cartels.

2:00:20 Speaker 5: I think again, I'm getting back to this idea of empowerment where we have exactly the power we're willing to manifest and know more. But if we're going to sit on our hands and expect someone else to do it. We're in trouble and there's been too much of that and there needs to be I guess some moral courage here. And I you know, this is what sick in me about, you know, the politics of the media and then all these scandals like you were talking about with betray us and you know during the Clinton earor the Monica Lewinsky thing I called the blow job heard around the world, that it's just so much nonsense, whereas these big issues are the moral issues as I see it.

2:00:57 Speaker 1: You know, well, I think if you look at us as a being, as an entity, and our progress on this planet, it's so staggering over such a short period of time that I think our minds, our ability to pass down information, all of these things lagged behind. We're essentially waking up in the middle of history. As a race of beings humans, We're waking up in the middle of a massive amount of momentum. As you're born, you were born into a race that is moving in an incredibly powerful direction that it's very hard to stop.

2:01:39 Speaker 2: And it's also the.

2:01:41 Speaker 1: Same animal that just twenty thousand and thirty thousand, go back as far as you want, where we were essentially tribal monkey people. I mean, that's all of those instincts that allowed us to get to twenty thirteen are all encoded in our genome. All of those instincts, all of those reward systems are all encoded, and all of those reward systems that whether you look back to Napoleon or Genghis Khan, or look at any war figure, any dominator throughout human history, the people in power have always tried to keep in power and suppress others.

2:02:17 Speaker 2: I think they do.

2:02:18 Speaker 1: But I think also if you look at the power of technology to overwhelm everything, including the head spook of the CIA. I mean, he was essentially overwhelmed by email. That's what took him over, you know. I mean it was it was the FBI looking any things, but essentially it was all done through electronic means.

2:02:36 Speaker 2: It was all done through He.

2:02:37 Speaker 1: Was revealed by the very powers that the CIA uses.

2:02:41 Speaker 2: In the first place, they're spies.

2:02:45 Speaker 1: The top spy was spied on. It's in my opinion, when I look at human history and I look at where they just tried to extrapolate. When I tried to extrapolate where we're going. It seems to me that it's all symbiotically connected to technology, and that seems unavoidable. That's why I have such a hard time with the idea of someone creating some zero point energy thing that people aren't looking into. Enough people know about what Tesla was working on. Enough people are fascinated by the ideas of wormholes, and I just would think that more people would be involved in this, and that the government, with all its shady, nefarious arms, wouldn't be able to put out all of those fires.

2:03:28 Speaker 5: But a lot of it's self censoring. For example, I'll give you a really good example. There was an academic guy that I was talking to recently and he was wanting to push into this issue, and basically he was told, no, you're not going to do it this university because this is violating the second law of thermodynamics, and blah blah blah. You know, in a rational world, which is what you're talking about, I would agree with you, But we don't live in a rational world. We live in a world where there are a lot of emotions and power, hierarchies and all kinds of dysfunctions, and so you have to factor that into the equation.

2:04:03 Speaker 5: And I don't think you can underestimate the reach of the national security state, not just here but around the world to put out these fires, no matter how many times they try to surface, unless it's done in a very large way. And I didn't believe that, and I've learned the hard way trying to do it in a smaller fashion from this, like the story I told you about this the scientist who works in a skiff down near the Huntsville Space Flight Center Marshall's Space Flight Center in Huntsville. And I think what we are going to have to do is organize an effort that is very much outside of government and mainstream corporations and even academia, because academia, if you have never been in it, is so political.

2:04:48 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you know, you touch these sort of issues and it's the end of your career. I'll give you a great story. In terms of other institutions, you know, the National Science Foundation is a very big player in global warming studies and all this kind of stuff. And the deputy director of that and doctor Bob Corrill, and I had a long meeting with another person who was one of the five directors of NASA back some years ago, and you know, he was very interesting exactly what you're talking about these sciences and studies, And I said, look, we need some people at the National Science Foundation to really take this on as an area of research, development, funding, etc. He says, it'd be the end of my career if I did this.

2:05:31 Speaker 5: I said, well, you know, here, it's the future of the Earth or your career. What are you going to choose. Let's choose the Earth and our future. But the truth is everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time, and a lot of folks are not going to jeopardize their careers and their income. A very famous astronomer who worked with Carl Sagan was at our meetings in nineteen ninety seven that we did for Congress, and after he did that with us, he was told if he ever wanted to be published again, right again, or have a career in astronomy, he'd have to leave the issue alone.

2:06:01 Speaker 5: So he was directly threatened, and he begged me to keep going forward, but that he couldn't be part of it. And so I think that you know, most people don't realize that this happens every day and it's kind of a miracle that this many military, in corporate and intelligence people came together this far. But I won't even begin to tell you what we've gone through trying to get this far. It's been very difficult. And so for every person you hear about and that you see in this film series or in the Disclosure Project, there are a hundred they wouldn't that have given me the information and even documents and intelligence, but they don't want to come out and be identified.

2:06:40 Speaker 5: So there's a lot of fear of either reprisals, but also just the ridicule factor.

2:06:46 Speaker 1: You know.

2:06:46 Speaker 5: I have a document from nineteen fifty three from the CIA that talked about engaging Disney Studios to make cartoonish movies about this issue so that it would be the butt of jokes. And this document talks about the psychological war fair value of the subject. So you know, people are sort of like you know in middle school, where you're worried about what are people going to think about me if I say I think this is real? Are you going to lose credibility if you're a doctor or a physicist or an engineer.

2:07:12 Speaker 2: Is all part of Project Blue Book.

2:07:14 Speaker 5: Wasn't that this predated this. This, this actually predated that when they were first coming together with how do we manage this? Because it's hidden in plain sight, people are going to see these objects. There's no way to really sanitize it. You know. People think you can really get rid of this. Well, you can. If there's a certain number of people seeing this all the time, you are highly credible. So but if you created a media an environment where it's ridiculous and you're considered a kook or this or that, if you're identified with it, or you'll be you know, Governor Moonbeam or Senator space Cadet or something.

2:07:51 Speaker 5: And this is one of the real problems is that the subject has been so ridiculed, and there's so much ridiculous stuff out there on the subject that's provably nonsensical that credible people really have to swallow hard. I have to tell you the scientists that are at this major Ivy League university doing the work on this little body, this humanoid type body, you know, it's a big, big thing for them to be working on this, and it's even a bigger thing that they're going to go on the record about their findings.

2:08:23 Speaker 5: When are they going to do this and the next well you'll see on April twenty second, comes to the premiere.

2:08:30 Speaker 2: I'll come to the premiere.

2:08:30 Speaker 1: But on April twenty second, what if no one has made some sort of a public statement. No IVY League scientists, No, we're going to so, yes, you're promising. Between now in April twenty second, there'll be some sort of.

2:08:41 Speaker 5: A reveal, press releases.

2:08:43 Speaker 1: Major institution scientists of credible history will step forward and say, hey, this is this is something.

2:08:52 Speaker 5: We don't know what they're going to say. They're still doing the run on the genome.

2:08:55 Speaker 2: Well, it's extraordinary, if it's real, if it's it's if.

2:08:57 Speaker 5: It's okay, let me put that the rest right now. You touch it, Yeah, I've touched it. We have the cat scans, we have the reports from these top scientists. The only thing left that we're doing is running the genome, which is the whole genome.

2:09:09 Speaker 1: So that scientists have said that it's absolutely of biological origin. That's not it's not like my werewolf.

2:09:15 Speaker 5: No, it's this. We know this, we absolutely know, and put that to rest.

2:09:21 Speaker 1: Has this damaged your credibility in life? I mean, have you have you suffered because of this? In any ways of course, in what way?

2:09:29 Speaker 5: Every way? Yeah, Yeah, it's been the hardest thing. You know, I tell people the worst days in the er or you know, I held a three year old that died in my arms. This has been harder, so you know.

2:09:39 Speaker 2: It's harder than the death of a little baby. Really.

2:09:41 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:09:42 Speaker 5: The stuff we've had to deal with, like way horrible stuff I don't really want to go into. I mean, we probably don't have time. But every nasty thing that can be done has been done or attempted to be done to many of us, and particularly to us my family and not my family so much is you know, targeting me with the nastiness just unbelievable ridicules and threats, threats and yeah.

2:10:13 Speaker 2: People threaten you to what stop talking about UFOs.

2:10:17 Speaker 5: You know, problems that we've had with a lot of security problems. I mean, there's an FBI fill over I'll open on this because of the death threats and this stuff we've had.

2:10:26 Speaker 1: Really and so you think these death threats are from these people that you're exposing that are in the cabal of this.

2:10:32 Speaker 5: Well, who knows where they're coming from. You could just say it was some nut job, like the people who shot up the Sikh temple where our director's family as you know, yes, his father was murdered horribly at this thing. And but you know, I'm just saying that it's a lot easier being an emergency doctor than dealing with this issue when you know it's real and you're dealing with this level of intelligence.

2:10:53 Speaker 2: And has this affected your career, Yeah.

2:10:58 Speaker 5: I've left medicine because I had to. No, I mean, but because I had to choose. How I put this, you only have twenty four hours in a day, and you know, at a certain point, I had to decide I'm either going to continue as a physician or I'm going to go full steam on this now. Of course, it was a big sacrifice for my family, and I was giving up hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as a doctor to do this for nothing. All right, So it's been difficult. So that's what I'm saying. It's been difficult in every way.

2:11:29 Speaker 5: But that's not important. I'm not important. It is.

2:11:32 Speaker 1: It is important, and you're that's a it's a tremendous sacrifice, especially because it's something that you would truly believe in. How do you support yourself now?

2:11:41 Speaker 5: Well, I have enough resourcefulness. Before I left medicine, I bought my home, and I'd saved enough and invested enough that I'm okay. And then I have a little bit of income from some of the books and things. But I mean it's very modest compared to you know, what I would have been making. You know, I'd probably in the aggregate of giving up around somewhere in the neighborhood of five to six million dollars in income doing this, which I actually don't regret at all, because I don't care about the money.

2:12:13 Speaker 1: I care about when people say that I hate when people say that.

2:12:16 Speaker 5: No, I really don't. I mean, this is why you know now this you will probably strain credulity here. But former head of Army Intelligence approached me in nineteen ninety two and offered me the kind of control over a two billion dollar fund if I would shut up and close down the disclosure project and see SETI.

2:12:37 Speaker 1: Control over a two billion dollar fund. What what did he want you to do?

2:12:42 Speaker 5: He just basically want I could do anything with it so long as I would shut.

2:12:47 Speaker 2: You could just go big pimpin giant yacht Ferrari. Who knows no no more.

2:12:52 Speaker 5: Doctor greer, and then you know what, I said, No, I'm not going to do that because I really believe that this issue needs to be dealt with. Probably probably the guy went to my wife and tried to convince her to convince me. And this, you know, this is a kind of not.

2:13:04 Speaker 2: Did he want you to work for him or he just wanted you to show up.

2:13:07 Speaker 5: He wanted me to merge what we were doing with some operation he had which would have basically subsumed it and co opted it. And I said no. And then he made another run and I said no. And then about a month after that, all over the internet it came out that I wasn't even a doctor. Here I am in this emergency department, and there's a bunch of goons went out there that I'm not even an actual MD. And I'm there, you know, up to my eyeballs and blood and guts in the er and this thing breaks. So, you know, they do all kinds of disinformation and psychological warfare stuff on people.

2:13:40 Speaker 5: But I don't really mind that that's happened. What I'm more concerned about is the people who have the knowledge and responsibility who don't do the right thing. Because there's no way that I can do this by myself. And what I was really gratified to see, and I'm still gratified to see, is you or all these people military men and women and others who come forward very courageously, academics like the ones doing the work on this potential little humanoid creature, which is a real creature. Whether it's what it is, we don't know, but they it's really a courageous thing for these people to be doing that.

2:14:17 Speaker 5: The people who led the charge in France to release all those documents I know the backstory to that that the public doesn't know, and there were it was very controversial. So I mean, this is the kind of courage we need to get the truth out and to go forward as a civilization. And so, you know, you can't buy it, You got to have it, You got to manifest it from inside.

2:14:40 Speaker 1: Are you getting income from this? No, you don't get any income from this.

2:14:45 Speaker 5: Now, this is you know, and you know what's beautiful about Serious the movie is that it was all crowdfunded. No one on my team has taken any funds from It's all gone into the production of the movie.

2:14:56 Speaker 2: You don't even take a salary.

2:14:57 Speaker 5: No, oh, no, No, it's all gone into.

2:15:00 Speaker 1: But you list expenses, like don't you list like several hundred, two hundred and seventy thousand dollars or something and expenses that you charge to create this film.

2:15:11 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but that's the production company, you know, because I'm not a filmmaker and I don't ask me to turn on can we.

2:15:17 Speaker 2: Have to this production company?

2:15:19 Speaker 5: And then of course we're going to uh, you know, we have to organize the premiere. And of course, being crowdfunded, you have to fulfill all the incentives for the crowdfunding. I don't know if you know crowdfunding. Yeah, but I want to thank everyone who's listening, by the way.

2:15:30 Speaker 1: To.

2:15:32 Speaker 5: Kickstarter and then our own private program and you know, we have like four thousand people who have contributed funds to this, which is really a huge number of folks. And and by the way, all of you folks who've done that, I just want to can I say this? The premiere is going to be here in Los Angeles on Earth Day, April twenty second at the La Live, the Regal LA Live Cinemas downtown, the Premiere Theater. And so that's April twenty second. If you want to come. You can kind of sign up and get tickets at serious disclosure dot com.

2:16:02 Speaker 1: I'm writing that in my calendar right now. I'm gonna try to make that. That sounds really fascinating.

2:16:06 Speaker 5: He tweet it for us, and you're invited to come, and you'll come as my guest.

2:16:10 Speaker 1: I'll tweet I'd love to have you.

2:16:12 Speaker 5: As my guests if you want, I would love to go. We're gonna have a red carpet and we're gonna invite some other you know, people here in Hollywood and in the business, and it's gonna be an exciting event. I mean, the theater only holds eight hundred and nine people, of which about half of those seats already spoken for. But but you know, those of you want to come, you know, just hop online and you know the system is set up so you can do it all digitally. You know, it's not gonna meet tickets at the door.

2:16:36 Speaker 5: Though.

2:16:37 Speaker 1: Okay, what is this thing that you're doing where you lead people out into the desert and you have them make contact with something ethereal crafts and beings and what what?

2:16:51 Speaker 2: What is that?

2:16:52 Speaker 5: Well, that's the whole CE five concept. I was talking about close encounters of the fifth kind that we're using these different protocols. And by the way, there's a there's a smartphone and an iPhone app for this that you can get at serious disclosure dot com. So it has all the it'll actually turn your phone into a magnetometer. It has the tones that were recorded in this crop circle of this weird energy that came into the crops Or can.

2:17:12 Speaker 2: Get this on my phone right now?

2:17:13 Speaker 5: Yes, you can. It's called the Contact app. It's and it's at it's at you can go to the serious disclosure dot com and there's an icon there and you can link and it goes to either the iTunes store or the Android store.

2:17:30 Speaker 1: Okay, and tell me what happens when you take these? You'll take anyone out there? Do they have to go through a screening process?

2:17:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's Apple. I mean, it's of course, it's a We do about a week training of people and remote viewing and the protocols of contact and uh, there's sort of the whole concept of it, but also how to look at the night sky. You go out with satellite charts, we have fourth generation night scopes, we have really good cameras and you know, in fact, we're going to be doing one in Colorado in June in the high desert. I have some land up there.

2:18:03 Speaker 1: What is the actual name of this app? Because there's a couple of contact apps.

2:18:07 Speaker 5: Well, again, you have to go to serious disclosure dot com and there's a link there for it. You know the name of them, of your own app?

2:18:15 Speaker 1: You know what, I have so.

2:18:16 Speaker 5: Many irons in the fire. I think it's called et contact app.

2:18:19 Speaker 1: Oh, but t contact. Let me try that contact app. So and explain to me what what happens here? You have a course and in this course, what do these people do?

2:18:30 Speaker 5: The idea is that we want to teach them.

2:18:33 Speaker 1: That's your your signal, Yeah, that is that is so I just bought your app powerful, Okay, So explain to me where would someone sign up for something like this?

2:18:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we do these expeditions a few times a year. I used to there are only about twenty people who are who are allowed to.

2:18:54 Speaker 2: Come now twenty at a time because.

2:18:56 Speaker 5: I can't handle more than that for a week out in the desert or out in the mountains. But and I just don't have time to do it more often than the four or five times a.

2:19:04 Speaker 1: Year that we do.

2:19:05 Speaker 2: So you especially do it quarterly.

2:19:08 Speaker 5: Well yeah, this seasonally, but the schedule is up at serious disclosure dot com.

2:19:12 Speaker 2: Where's the place where do you bring these people?

2:19:14 Speaker 5: It just depends. I mean, like we're the next one's going to be in the high desert of Colorado at about eight thousand feet. It's a remote here into the Great Sand Dunes that's had a lot of reports of UFOs and contact. In fact, the film director and his crew were out there last June a few months ago in twenty twelve, when we had this disc fly over and then a jet came in to intercept it, and just that's going to be in the film. It's really cool.

2:19:35 Speaker 1: You have a video of that or a photo of that both really so you have a video of this disc in the sky and then a jet approaching the disc out.

2:19:43 Speaker 5: Probably coming out of Colorado Spring so as it's coming out of that direction. But yeah, it was. It's really pretty cool. And of course I think when when the director saw this, he went wow.

2:19:51 Speaker 2: And who put this video together? Who made it, who filmed it?

2:19:55 Speaker 5: The film crew, the forst serious.

2:19:57 Speaker 2: So you wow, so you know they have.

2:20:02 Speaker 1: This, you like, we don't want to make sure that it was real clear of this. You have thousands of these videos.

2:20:07 Speaker 5: Well there's one. Yeah, if you go again to this website, you'll see that there's a section for the the Contact Expeditions and the C five Expeditions. And a couple of years ago we were up on there's a mountain north of here called Mount Shasta near the Oregon border in the Cascade Range, and it's a volcanic mountain and we've gone up there a number of years and we've had these objects that have appeared and one of them was actually in the field. We had their night vision camera running and it lifted up and does this and then there's like this quirkscrew and de materialize in the sky.

2:20:39 Speaker 5: We have this own videotape and it was during one of these expeditions, and it's a really amazing bit of video.

2:20:45 Speaker 2: Is ball lightning a real phenomenon?

2:20:48 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sure sure? And that's not that this is clear skies, no whether but coming up from the grounde.

2:20:54 Speaker 1: But don't they But doesn't ball lightning have something to do with there's there's certain types of visual phenomenon that have to do with tectonic plates and pressure and stress.

2:21:05 Speaker 5: Piece of electric Yeah, what is now? Well, that's very different. Also, that'll be just sort of a discharge, like an electrical discharge, see it, And that's from the rocks. And usually it's when there's quartz, the pressure of it and electromagnetic energy will build up and it'll burst out. But you know, this is an object and you can see it quite clearly, and it's a it's right at the edge of the speed of light because it's kind of coming in and out of this dimension. It's a really great video and there were like thirty forty people who saw this happen.

2:21:29 Speaker 5: So we do this. I've been doing this for twenty two years. And what people, what are you showing up there? Brian?

2:21:36 Speaker 1: What is that?

2:21:37 Speaker 5: It was one of these objects that came over. I think that was at Melchester. I'm not sure. It's my laser and it's this object that came right over. And you know, we also train people that always go out with satellite charts, know what you know, so you know when the satellite this.

2:21:49 Speaker 1: Is your footage of this thing flying in the sky. Yep, whoa, And that's your laser.

2:21:55 Speaker 5: That's why I have a big you know, it's one of these.

2:21:57 Speaker 1: I got one of those.

2:21:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll go, it'll go one hundred two hundred miles in the space.

2:22:03 Speaker 1: Now, when you were filming this, are you trying to contact them? Like?

2:22:06 Speaker 2: What are you trying?

2:22:07 Speaker 5: We had so we do the protocols where you do the remote viewing, set up the vector to show them where you are. We play these electronic tones in the space and then have electronic field detectors out there. So we'll have magnetic field detectors, various laser detectors, other electromagnetic spectrum and those will begin to go off, and then we'll have an object fly over like this object here that was right neuros. It comes right outside. So what people have to understand is that if you have an object that is coming in and out of dimensions, it's not going to necessarily look like a seven forty seven or even a flying saucer.

2:22:44 Speaker 5: It's going to be in various energy forms. And this is the weird sort of effect. Most people don't understand that ninety nine percent of the time, an interstellar civilization doesn't have to be in linear space time if they have that kind of physics. So what happens when you go beyond the speed of light? All right, You're going to not have anything visible. But if you begin to have an energy discharge into an area of space and it's very close to this dimension, it'll start to give off an energy field our corona.

2:23:13 Speaker 5: And so one of the witnesses we have was at a nuclear hot base out in Oklahoma back years ago, I think it was in the seventies, and there was this object that was in the shape of UFO, but it wasn't solid, and it flew over the what they call the hot you know, where the jets were hot loaded with nuclear weapons, and the alarms went off. He says, this thing was not solid like this is like aeric rock, salt. It was you could have walked right through it, but it was in the shape of a craft, but it was shifted so that the matter was all energy, and of course matter is energy.

2:23:46 Speaker 5: So the physics behind this gets into some really arcane stuff, probably beyond the scope of the show, but it's what I this is part of what we're teaching people when we take them out, is how do these objects appear? What might you see? And I was talking to an actor here in town who had one of these happened near his home, and it was very palpable, very real but it wasn't well, no, there are no but he you know, these are there are a lot of people who've had these sort of experiences. They don't want to talk about it because they're afraid of you know, being rodokuled.

2:24:25 Speaker 5: And and but you know, when it was described to me, I said, oh, yeah, that's classic. Really, I said yeah, because if it's if it's not a Lucky Martin, you know, anti gravity, and it's really is et. The weirder it is, the more likely it is to be ET. And this gets into the whole question what are you looking for? So we trained people to know kind of what to look for versus you know, if experimental aircraft, normal aircraft, you know, space objects and junk satellites, and then the stuff that's the weird end of it.

2:24:59 Speaker 5: So the weird end of it, Yeah, really cool stuff.

2:25:03 Speaker 2: Really cool stuff.

2:25:03 Speaker 1: You take these people, you bring them out to the high desert, you tune them into whatever frequency through whatever methods of meditation or what have you. And these ships are they just waiting for someone to like email them, to send them a signal?

2:25:18 Speaker 5: You know what? I think I think that they've actually been waiting a long time for people to do something besides just passively look at them?

2:25:25 Speaker 1: Do they have to be what I'm saying is, do they have to like load up the ship? Hey, we got some fucking people in the desert. Everybody get on board, let's go.

2:25:33 Speaker 2: Let's go.

2:25:34 Speaker 1: Then how are you getting them to manifest?

2:25:37 Speaker 5: I'm not getting them too, But how is.

2:25:38 Speaker 1: Anybody getting how? How how is this signal being recognized by them?

2:25:43 Speaker 5: Because I'm quite convinced they have electronics that pick up on this what we were talking about earlier, this conscious field of coherent thought. And this is again the most controversial end of what I'm doing. To me, it's the most interesting. Also, you know, before I was a doctor, I was a meditation teacher.

2:26:00 Speaker 2: Know that, but I didn't know that was what type meditation mantra invadic.

2:26:05 Speaker 5: So I was Vedanta Inveda meditation, and you know, I learned Sanskrit and learned to teach people meditation. So that was my first sort of career. I even call it a career. It was an advocation as much as more in a vocation. But and I really and it was cause as a result of this near death experience, and and I began to realize that really the thing that is most intriguing about all this is that free energy is like late eighteen hundreds to mid nineteen hundreds, anti gravity mid forties to mid fifties.

2:26:42 Speaker 5: The science of consciousness and the interface between mind and matter, mind and body, mind and thought and electromagnetic systems. That's the really cool stuff. And that's you know, to me, most people know me for the Disclosure Project and these other things, But to me, that's the most exciting part of this because that is the frontier. The final frontier is not space, it's consciousness.

2:27:05 Speaker 1: So you take these people out, there's twenty of them, and you spend how many days out there, it's.

2:27:13 Speaker 5: Usually six days and nights, and so we go out during the day. It's more a teaching module and teaching them remote viewing concepts and science of consciousness other information they need to have. Then we go out at n usually from around sunset to one or so in the morning, sometimes two, and we're out in the stars making observation, doing the remote viewing practice, and then people go home and do it. There's now something like eleven or twelve hundred teams all over the world doing this that are picked up on this idea.

2:27:49 Speaker 5: It's really a phenomenal thing, and people are having amazing sightings and experiences all over the world. There's a global CE five initiative going on, and.

2:28:00 Speaker 2: You keep saying five fifth kind, which is visual?

2:28:04 Speaker 5: No, what is?

2:28:05 Speaker 1: What is?

2:28:05 Speaker 5: Okay? Let me explain that. I'm sorry. You know we're back.

2:28:07 Speaker 2: I know the movie the third kind.

2:28:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Steven Spielberg's movie.

2:28:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I know. Most people are probably like me. They okay.

2:28:14 Speaker 5: And the fourth kind is when when someone feels they've had contact and been on board. The fifth kind is a term that I launched in the concept of in nineteen ninety, which is when humans instead of passively having so all those others. Close encounters of the first, second, third, and fourth kind are passive because you're sort of either seeing it or it's a landing thing or what have you. A closing encounter of the fifth kind is when a human does something interactive, so it's like, you know, it's like the Internet versus something passive, or where you're you're actually making contact and inviting these civilizations to appear and make contact for a diplomatic purpose or where they interact and doctor Haynes at NASA aims put together a great book based on my initial research on this, called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind CE five, where he collected cases.

2:29:08 Speaker 5: We both collected cases. But he published this book some years ago about all these people who had done this, and some of them were quite incidental. For example, a craft is there and the person sees it and instead of just gaping, they actually signal to it with say a light, and it signals back and comes over. The more interesting ones are the ones I discovered that which is what happened to me when I was eighteen, where you see a craft and you just think, moved to the left, and moves to the left, moved to the right, moved to the right, and they're showing you that there's a link up between intent and thought and their electronics.

2:29:43 Speaker 5: And that's the really cool stuff.

2:29:45 Speaker 1: Have you ever read any young Carl Young?

2:29:47 Speaker 5: Yes?

2:29:47 Speaker 2: What do you think on Carl?

2:29:49 Speaker 1: He wrote a whole book on the physical manifestation of UFOs through the conscious thought.

2:29:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean the world is as you are and depends on the level of consciousness of the person reading what he wrote. I think that a lot of people say, well, that means that you're everything is being manifested by your mind. Well, but in a sense, all of reality is one conscious thought, if you want to get back into the whole all this is that concept of the Vedic. But I think these are things when you have thirty or forty people see it and it's interactive, you know, that's a close encounter of the fifth kind.

2:30:28 Speaker 5: So it's not your imagination doing that particular when you didn't get video.

2:30:32 Speaker 1: And I don't even think he was necessarily saying it's your imagination, no, no, but he was.

2:30:36 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people don't understand what he was saying, and I think that he was really talking about some of a deeper aspect of what is mind?

2:30:43 Speaker 1: Right, what is mind's mind? What effect does consciousness have on physical matter?

2:30:47 Speaker 2: Right?

2:30:47 Speaker 1: That's huge, yeah, and huge, And in a sense he could have almost been validating it without totally understanding the possibilities of contacting something and making the right thing.

2:30:57 Speaker 2: I agree, I agree you.

2:30:59 Speaker 1: You seem to be convinced of and in fact teach people to do it. I think that if you've got something like that, how is this not like on twenty twenty or whatever those stupid news shows are, How are you not going out there.

2:31:12 Speaker 2: Would you be willing to do that with a film crew?

2:31:14 Speaker 5: Oh, we did with CBS with them Dan Rather had a show back years ago, what was it called? We went down to Mexico and Popo and we did this and a craft came up by the volcano Flu and they were filming this with professional stuff, and they ended up completely debunking it. And even though the camera guy and the reporter who was there with me said, anyone who sees this will know this is real, and CBS sanitized it. And when I then said, look, you agreed in writing that any footage you get you would share with us if we did this expedition, because we did it on our own expense, the person in charge there said, we're CBS and we're part of a corporation as Billions, and we'll fight you forever.

2:31:53 Speaker 5: You'll never get this one.

2:31:55 Speaker 1: Why would you need CBS though it seems like you'd be able to film something like that yourself and really high quality.

2:32:00 Speaker 2: You don't need their footage?

2:32:01 Speaker 5: Well, we do, I mean we have a certain amount. I don't operate cameras, but we've had volunteers, but we've never had professional crews with us. And I mean at some point, it'd be nice if we could do this and professional.

2:32:12 Speaker 1: I have a crew. I have a new show. It's coming out on the Sci Fi Network. It's called Question Everything. One of the things, yeah, and one of the things we're going to do is we're going to explore things like UFOs, bigfoot. I'm going to go to the Pacific Northwest and look for bigfoot. But I want to.

2:32:29 Speaker 5: I would let's go, Let's go to that at Comma Desert and see if we can find.

2:32:33 Speaker 2: Where to go.

2:32:34 Speaker 1: Let's go, I would, I would would be more than happy to go and bring a professional crew and see if something like this can happen.

2:32:41 Speaker 2: What kind of success rate do you have in doing this?

2:32:45 Speaker 5: Uh, well, you know, we've never actually gone out where there hasn't been some kind of a sighting or event happened that have been seen by everyone.

2:32:52 Speaker 2: Really never, so it's one hundred percent.

2:32:54 Speaker 5: Not every night, not all the time, but yet something five.

2:32:57 Speaker 2: Or six day period and these people camping there.

2:33:00 Speaker 5: No, no, no, we don't stay at well, I mean, I guess if someone wanted to. We usually stay in condos or houses or something in the area. We usually go to fairly you know, remote areas, that are quiet. It's very hard to find locations where we're not going to be intruded upon. And usually when we do this, we do have people who intrude and so we try to keep it, you know, so that the group can be coherent, because the whole concept of this is coherent thought and coherent mind, and that's you know, very difficult to do when you're being disrupted by a lot of folks.

2:33:33 Speaker 1: Now, what if you pick twenty people to go, and how do you know that someone's not alone?

2:33:38 Speaker 2: You take some crack poducts.

2:33:40 Speaker 5: Oh, well, there have been you know. No, Usually the people, you know, we have an application process and I you know, i'd say ninety nine percent of the time, they're just wonderful people and you know, they're very sincerely interested in learning about this. And I think the science a consciousness component of the whole what you called the high strangeness part of UFO encounters. It becomes very compelling for people who've had contact and understand that when you go beyond the speed of light between star systems, you're dealing with something that's way beyond your cell phone and a Ford explorer and people who get that, who get out of the linear box and begin to look at that and then begin to experiment with a lot of the people who come on these or people who have gotten the app or learned about it, and they try it, try this at home, and they have an amazing sighting and encounter with a small group of people or a family, and then they want to come and try and do it more.

2:34:39 Speaker 5: So it's an excite to me. That's the next phase of all this is disclosure, bring out the energy and technologies. But then it's about the public understanding that why doesn't everyone just go out under the star instead of sitting and looking at television and try some experiments, experiment with fought and mind and light and tone.

2:35:02 Speaker 1: And besides kinds of it floating in space? Haven't you encountered things that are in closer proximity.

2:35:10 Speaker 2: To the ground?

2:35:11 Speaker 5: Oh yeah? And some very odd photographs of what you might call transdimensional images that looked like almost like a hologram of a being that floated right outside of our circle at Joshua Tree National Park too far from here, back a few years above.

2:35:28 Speaker 2: The photos of this thing yep, yep, where can someone see that?

2:35:31 Speaker 5: As on the website serious disclosure dot Com, if you link to the CE five part of it, there's a whole section of this strange luminous thing, and you know the photograph of that. It was a three or four second exposure. And what was seen right before this happened, which is really important for people to understand, was something about half the size of the about the size of my fist.

2:35:52 Speaker 1: Are a little bigger.

2:35:53 Speaker 5: It was like a sphere that floated over the desert and November of nine and several people saw it, and then we heard what sounded like a group of people talking. But with our nights, goot, there's nothing there. And then so a woman on my team took her camera and just had a three or four second exposure, took a photograph, and in that area where this had happened, there was this beam that.

2:36:21 Speaker 2: Was and did you see this with your eyes? Or is just no?

2:36:25 Speaker 5: Because this would have been in a flash, but it's in the digital.

2:36:29 Speaker 2: Is it possible that it's just an artifact.

2:36:30 Speaker 5: No, it's not an artifact. Absolutely not.

2:36:32 Speaker 1: Why is it not possible? I mean, flashes always produce artifacts that.

2:36:35 Speaker 5: Produced No, no, no, no, she did not use a flash. Oh it was visible. The flash was so in other words, this was no flashball. No, we don't allow flash photography when we're out. You got to have good night scotes. You have to have good cameras. You can adjust the ISO, the and the aperture and all that. Campfires, no, we never have campfires. There's a complete darkness. The most you're gonna see we're out there is maybe an LED on a camera.

2:37:03 Speaker 1: So, whatever this thing was, we know what it was. You think it was very confident about what it was. Have you ever been aboard a spaceship.

2:37:14 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've had some really amazing contact experiences that are classic and they you know, I had one when I was having this eight when I was eighteen years old, up on this mountain, up and and it was it wasn't at all what you hear about in the literature, because it was more in this transdimensional element area. And that becomes the whole question is what part of what people are reporting is real and what part is memory X And this is something we haven't talked about yet, but what is the capacity for the intelligence community to hoax contact?

2:37:57 Speaker 1: And it's substantial, really, you think a lot of people they're hoaxing content.

2:38:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, for scaring the hell out of people like in what how do they do that? One of the things we learned about a number of years ago is actually not something I discovered. It was a man here who was looking into what are called military related abductions that are made to look ETEP it aren't. And you get into this whole question of what are they able to stage craft too for its psychological warfare value. And I have a document that's actually going to be in the film, and it's from the Strategic Studies Institute talking about the staging of abductions and other scary things to create fear around the UFO issues.

2:38:41 Speaker 1: So they create an artificial spacecraft and abduct people use.

2:38:45 Speaker 5: They may use what's called an ARB, an alien reproduction vehicle that's man made. They may use robotic things that are called plfs, program life forms that are man made but look.

2:38:55 Speaker 2: Very programmed life forms plfs they have.

2:38:59 Speaker 1: They have life forms that that are like robots essentially that move around like people.

2:39:05 Speaker 5: Uh. There are reports of that, and in fact reports of that, and I think there is if you believe that. Though, Oh yeah, I think stan Romanek, if you look at the photograph he had of this thing, I think he was on Larry King or in some other shows, and this thing boo that goes up and down. He's had a photo and then there's a video that he hasn't released, but I've seen it, you know, other people have seen it, and it's this very robotic looking it looks like a quote alien, but we know it isn't. I mean, so you know, the question is why would they want to do something like that.

2:39:36 Speaker 5: I think, if you can put enough information out there to scare scare people, why not scare Well.

2:39:41 Speaker 1: It seems to me though, that look that the highest level robotics experts in the world today are pretty open about their work because they're they're they're showing I mean, they're they're they're they're showing periodic improvements in the general public. Like the DARPA robots what they're doing in Japan. No no one has come any work close to doing something along those lines. Not only that they all have an external power source.

2:40:05 Speaker 5: Well, but you're assuming that the things that you know about are all that they're in existence. But it's like saying that because you haven't flown on one of the Lockheat's or Northrop's anti gravity devices. They don't have those either. I think that they have those. Yes, they one hundred percent yes, and been rich all but said so you know who's the head of the Lockey Skunkworks. So these are a lot of the things that people will see out near the Knells Range or so called Area fifty one, that are moving in these ways we were talking about earlier.

2:40:38 Speaker 5: Those are man made. There's r et and if you go all the way back to the forties in Germany during World War two and after, they were doing a lot of experiments with things that do electromagnetic lifter effect, and going back a little further you look at Tee Townsend Brown in nineteen late nineteen twenties, and then also the Klosky frost experiment where they actually were able to create this effect of levitation and movement. So you know, again there's a whole science here. And in the open aerospace literature in the late forties and early fifties they were saying the next big thing is gravity control and anti gravity stuff, and dah, da da da dah, and then it went all went black.

2:41:18 Speaker 5: You can't find it. And one of the guys that I've worked with at the Naval Research Labs, which is the largest Department Defense Lab told me that it was October fifty four when we really mastered gravity control and all those projects went black. They just disappeared. But up until then you can go back and find and there were in the literature. Now, the fact that your average person at MIT don't know about this doesn't mean it didn't exist. And I think that there's a whole history of aerospace and technology that's hidden.

2:41:49 Speaker 5: Similarly, there's a whole history of robotics, genetics, biological studies, and what have you, and that had also been very classified.

2:42:01 Speaker 1: You are either one really nutty dude or you are a guy who has tapped into one of the craziest pieces of information that's being suppressed from the American public.

2:42:13 Speaker 2: And there's no room for a middle ground.

2:42:15 Speaker 5: You know that's well, I know that all every word I'm telling you is true.

2:42:20 Speaker 1: I believe I believe that you believe that every word out of your mouth is true. I do believe you.

2:42:26 Speaker 2: But this whole thing is so it's so strains credibility.

2:42:30 Speaker 5: All that does, all of it does. And you know what I was told years ago that if you really told the whole truth about this, that it'll hide itself because no one can believe it. So, you know, it is kind of through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole on this subject. And it's a real problem because how far do you go in terms of telling what you know and have discovered.

2:42:52 Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me that you are tapped into like a way to show people.

2:42:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, but who's looking. I mean it's like the FAA guy John Callahan, who said, I've got the radar tapes, I got the pilot reports. But who's looking and who's asking? Well, not twenty twenty, you know, I mean you asked about twenty twenty. The guy who's executive producer of that came out to my house. I gave him thirty five hours a digital stuff of all these top secret guys, all the documents, all this stuff. He said, this is the biggest story. It's either all a hoax or it's the biggest story in history.

2:43:24 Speaker 5: I said, yeah, well I think it's the latter. And he says, I want to do this story. I said, I don't think they'll let you. And so we went back to corporate ABC and yeah, a couple weeks later, he said, doctor career, they won't let me do this.

2:43:38 Speaker 1: Story.

2:43:39 Speaker 5: I said, who are they? Ira, And he said, well, you know who they are.

2:43:44 Speaker 2: And I've had producers they're like this crazy motherfucker.

2:43:48 Speaker 5: This was the executive producer in charge of the show both primetime Live in twenty twenty and he's now with sixty minutes. But I think that what.

2:43:58 Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to him. What's his name? Yeah, Ira, I'd love to talk to him on the question everything show that'd being fascinating.

2:44:06 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think that that this is the other big myth is that when you start dealing with the big media that it's a free media. It's free to a point. I mean, it's no problem if you want to drill down on someone's sex scandal, But if you really want to deal with this issue, there's going to be a phone call. And you're one of the documents that's up on our website. I wrote an article called media Play and then it is a document I got from the nineteen nineties from the CIA that talks about how the CIA had embedded in all the major media people to change, alter, or stop stories.

2:44:41 Speaker 5: And this is an official document. So you know, if the public listening out there think we really have a free market, a free media. You know, you know, wake up. This is simply not the case. So I think that one of the challenges we've had is that the it's kind of a an article of faith that if all this were true, would in the media just really want to cover this? And I say, yeah, there are some really good people in the media who wanted to, but they're not allowed to, And so then that's good way who controls the big media.

2:45:15 Speaker 5: But I'm not talking about your show.

2:45:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, how many shows are out there dedicated to looking for UFOs? There seems like this quite a bit, and those shows are owned by you know, big media companies and networks that promote these shows. You think it's just bullshit, and what they're doing is paying lip service to it and not really looking and they're just covering the controversial aspects of it to get viewers.

2:45:36 Speaker 5: Yes, I think a lot of it's shock and dribble and bread and circus. And I think that when you then asked the question of you know, years ago when I was on Larry King and afterwards I got this note from insproduci this is one of the most popular shows we've ever had, and so if it was just about ratings and just about whether there was anything legitimate there to cover. This would be in the news all the time. So there's something weird going on here, because they'll how over all kinds of sensationalistic nonsense.

2:46:02 Speaker 5: But you know, you have dozens of top secret witnesses, you have legitimate government documents, you have photographs, video, or you have teams like ours going out having these sort of experiences that isn't covered. You have to ask the question why. And I think the wonderful thing about twenty thirteen that didn't exist five or ten years ago. Twitter, Facebook, video on demand. You know, you don't have to go to a big distributor. We're and actually, by the way, we're planning to distribute this film at the night of the premiere.

2:46:33 Speaker 5: Maybe we'll live stream and if we can figure out how to do it, maybe you can help us. I'll we need help with it actually because we're actually out of funds well.

2:46:41 Speaker 2: Construction, Brad, and you stream livestream the shit.

2:46:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so what we want to do with the premiere is live stream and then have the thing and then it'll be VOD video on demand, so that you know, there's no choke holds in the big media, and then you know, you couldn't have done that five or ten years ago with any kind of value. Now you can do high definition, you can do really good, good video and demand, and we're going to do this so that everyone can sign up to be an affiliate distributor, so that basically, if you want to distribute the show, you can distribute it and the people who see it, you know, there'll be a small fee to see it, and then you'll have part of that and you just build that out because what we want to do is make this thing go viral so that we don't get into the choke holds of the big media, because you know, my experience with it is that I'm very, very skeptical of the big media doing anything with this until they have to, and then it becomes where there's too much noise out there.

2:47:39 Speaker 5: We have to give it a little bit of lip service and then we'll take it off again. So that's why, by the way, that's why we did this crowdfunding for this. It was that we really wanted the people to have a stake in it and to move move the film serious forward, because if you went to a studio or a group of investors. You don't know what they're going to do with it. If they control it this way, the people own it.

2:48:01 Speaker 1: Well, listen, man, this is a fascinating subject. Like I said, it's one of my personal interests and has been since I was a small child, and to talk to you was a real treat. I really appreciate it.

2:48:13 Speaker 5: I really appreciate you.

2:48:14 Speaker 2: Put your neck out there.

2:48:15 Speaker 1: Man. You say a lot of nutty shit, and it takes a lot of courage to do that, or you're crazy.

2:48:20 Speaker 2: I'm willing to believe you.

2:48:22 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm willing to be completely open to the point of I'll go out to the desert with you. I'll do whatever it is. I'm I'm you know, I'm fascinated by all this stuff. And if what you're saying is true, it is, you know, one of the most mind blowing things our society has ever had access to, it has ever been able to encounter.

2:48:43 Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty crazy shit.

2:48:45 Speaker 1: Man.

2:48:45 Speaker 5: Welcome to the new millennium, because now it's time here we go.

2:48:49 Speaker 2: I hope you're right.

2:48:49 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope this isn't just crazy talk. April twenty second is the day it's in Los Angeles at La Live.

2:48:57 Speaker 2: Which is where it's the Regal La the Regal La Live.

2:49:01 Speaker 1: And how can people either find out about this or get to this orp want.

2:49:07 Speaker 5: To go Serious Disclosure dot com and you can go there and you can you know, get the tickets and everything and sign up right there. Everything can be done online.

2:49:15 Speaker 2: And is the film done?

2:49:17 Speaker 5: It's it's going into final completion the next three weeks or so.

2:49:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so April twenty second is when it's all going down, and that is hopefully you will already have the information from this Ivy League Institute about this alien being by then correct or.

2:49:32 Speaker 5: This humanoid being human We don't know what it is, yeah, whatever it is or yeah, and we will we already have a lot of it, but we're waiting for the final genetic sequencing.

2:49:41 Speaker 2: Okay.

2:49:41 Speaker 1: And if people want to follow you on Twitter, it's doctor Stephen Greer, Steve v T st e v E. And not one of those weirdos that says Steven, but it's with a pH who does that some weirdos?

2:49:54 Speaker 3: No, pH?

2:49:55 Speaker 1: He yeah, a lot of weirdos Stephen, pH. That's Stefan right, okay, doctor Stephen, you're st e v E and Greer and one more time.

2:50:05 Speaker 5: The website is serious Disclosure dot com. S I R I U S disclosure dot com.

2:50:11 Speaker 2: This has been a fascinating conversation. Thank you very much.

2:50:13 Speaker 1: It's been really interesting and uh, you know, I mean, I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes.

2:50:19 Speaker 5: We'll see you at the premiere.

2:50:21 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Will you do this again? Will you come by?

2:50:23 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:50:23 Speaker 2: I love to around the time of the premiere with.

2:50:27 Speaker 5: All the new findings.

2:50:28 Speaker 1: Yes, please, all right, we're gonna have some fun. Listen, folks, thanks for tuning in. We have a crazy week this week. We have Tom Segura is going to be on on Tuesday, David Lee Roth is going to be on on yeah, right, David Lee Ross here on Wednesday, and on Friday, doctor Ahmit Goswami, theoretical physicist. So we have some some crazy science. We've got a rock star, and we've got one of the funniest people on the planet, and we have doctor Stephen Greer. Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it.

2:50:58 Speaker 1: You wanted to talk to you, and I really appreciate you all you're doing.

2:51:01 Speaker 2: It's awesome stuff. I love it.

2:51:03 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated and I can't wait to talk to you again in April, and I can't wait to see your film.

2:51:07 Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's the Dearly yo yo.

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2:51:36 Speaker 5: I don't know what Tuesday.

2:51:37 Speaker 2: I'm not telling you what to do.