REVAMPED_ 29 Palms UFO Sighting by US Marines Flares or Something Otherworldly

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1:44 Speaker 2: This is a case that I, I guess I kind of glanced not I wouldn't say glanced over it. I definitely listen to Weaponized, I think like everybody, I listen to every episode of of of Weaponized, and I do remember this case and it it was solid, but I just for some reason I just didn't check into it too much. However, tonight we have Arthur Preston, who has been really really deep diving into this and once to let people know that it's it. It wasn't just you know, a routine, you know, a night and something spectacular was seene.

2:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, ty.

2:34 Speaker 4: And Yeah.

2:35 Speaker 3: So a little bit of background on myself. Kind of got into ufology around two thousand and six or so out of high school. It's been a few few years, you know, going to different you know conferences, you know, educating myself on the field. Then I kind of put all that on the back burner and went to college and got a degree in biology and then went on in public health to focus on toxicology and drinking water treatment. Oh okay, and then I guess last year when things started popping off with you know, all the big big news and upology, I decided I wanted to get back into it and kind of apply my research skills and see where it takes me.

3:19 Speaker 3: So that's that's why I'm here.

3:22 Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. And I think everyone, like you know, everybody gets to ufology in a different way. For me, I think, you know, we all have our story right that like weaves us back into the pictures a while, and that in itself is a whole show, right you know, like whether that's predetermined, you know, like we all suppose, you know, I don't know. There's definitely something different about the people in this community, and I love that about it. It's it's got that uniqueness to it. But listen, twenty nine Palms, it's a it's a military base.

4:04 Speaker 2: I actually have very very deep connections to the base, which is now kind of back on it. I'm wondering why I didn't look in this further or care about it more, because not only did I almost live in Oceanside with my cousin who was on going to the base commuting back and forth between multiple bases at the time. Actually, so and I've had best friends other family members who have been stationed at that base. So like, I have a long history with family members in that base. So I ran a couple of questions by them today.

4:46 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, and he said it was you know, so I want to talk about a couple of the different things.

4:55 Speaker 2: Just banter with me for a few before we get into your presentation. Sure, Now, this case, obviously, like just even just from the picture alone, it looks like, uh similar to like the phoenix lights the formation at least you know, v shaped set set of lights, set of orbs that look like a part of a larger craft potentially and it doesn't make noise. Uh so is it one of our own because you know, people have talked about the t R three v Astra, uh you know, unlocked in skunk works. You know, I just want to get your gauge, like, do you think this was potentially us?

5:44 Speaker 3: Well, you know what they say, it's it's almost impossible to differentiate between you know, our advanced anti gravity technology and extraterrestrial sense. So the only reason I kind of point towards the ET for this case is because of the map of response. You know, after the event happened, it seemed to be something they weren't prepared for. So to me, it just doesn't track with it being you know, classified military technology, because you think they would do that somewhere where it's a little a little more secluded, you know.

6:19 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. And and and when I did ask multiple of my family members who you know, because once a marine, always a marine, so uh, you know, I asked them and they were they essentially said that if there were training exercise that were happening and they were dropping flares, especially over that area, that they would have known about it in advance. So this is something that people would have been privy to so uh and and it would have been something that wouldn't have bought them off guard. And then what really intrigues me is how long they sustained.

7:04 Speaker 2: How long they the people, the witnesses say these lights stayed in the air.

7:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, a really long time. And I think that's why everyone's coming out of there, you know, bunks and everyone's trying to figure out what the hell was going on. It wasn't easily identifiable by the witnesses on the ground. And these are trained people.

7:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would if I were to say, I would say that, you know, anyone who was in the military. Uh, they just have that added credibility. You know, they've gone through rigorous training, especially depending on their job title. Uh So it depends. But these Marines, they when I I now that I go back and I listened to their testimony again, just the the the determination in their voice, the the absoluteness of it of them knowing that this was not a drill or or or flares really speaks volumes.

8:09 Speaker 3: I agree, and I think the testimony is probably the strongest evidence evidence is for like persuasion, Like you can hear in the tone of their voices. I mean there, I just think that they're highly credible sounding to me, they weren't. You know, a lot of people are thrown around the idea that they were joking around or you know, you know, playing a prank that doesn't really track with me with whatever, when I.

8:34 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, playing a prank doesn't see because no one, no one. I'm sorry to say that, but nobody wants to be the UFO person, especially in the you know, in the military. And this is a multiple Now, maybe I could see, you know, like if this was a group of like fifty kids, like like you know, twenty year olds, Uh, that would be a different story. But uh, a group of trained, uh trained trained military members, uh, with ages ranging. I just don't see something like a hoax being developed like that.

9:15 Speaker 2: So let's yeah, let's start by So let's start by how did you how did you start assessing this case? How did you how did you bring this case from start to where it is?

9:31 Speaker 5: Now?

9:33 Speaker 2: We you know, walk us through what you've learned through uh the picture, you know, or uh going back through it. So talk to me about why I should uh you know, pay attention as a general general uh person.

9:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, So and you followed you. We have a lot of different types of cases. You know, we have like a single witness cases, we have experiencers, and then we have you know, larger cases that have multiple witnesses and multiple evidences associated with it. So this is a case that has a lot of evidence associated with it because we have five on the record US military witnesses, we have multiple videos, we have multiple low light photos, and then we have a whole array of additional data that came through Foier requests which we can analyze and compared to the original videos, which is a lot of the work that I've done.

10:28 Speaker 3: So I would consider there's a high quality case in that sense that there's so much evidence associated with it. But I think it just got quote unquote debunked so fast, like immediately after it came out, within twenty four hours, we had official statements coming out of Errow.

10:47 Speaker 2: Do you think that I'm sorry, I forgot it wasn't hardline plugged, so I'm just plugging it.

10:57 Speaker 3: No no problem.

11:01 Speaker 2: My computer was was given me like a weird connection and it was flashing. So sorry about that, folks. Okay, so I but this immediately is like you said, it was, it seemed like the baby was thrown out with the bathwater almost immediately upon the military's explanation, John, I'm not gonna say, John Greenwald, he's been on the show's.

11:28 Speaker 3: Susan go He came out of Susan go.

11:32 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I went back. I guess. So, I guess I was talking about how it proliferated through the community. But so talk to me about what Susan Goe said about it at first? What was the official response.

11:49 Speaker 3: And the official response from Susan go which and she emailed to Greenwald within twenty four hours, was that there was no reports of the UAP that night and there would Yeah, I have it, It's in my slides.

12:07 Speaker 2: Okay, how do I get that up?

12:09 Speaker 3: I could share my screen.

12:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring up that. Let's bring up that because I want to see what the what Susan goes because Susan often comes up, especially lately when it comes to the UFO topic, and she seems like a person who is not necessarily someone who's trusts that. It seems a consensus is the community doesn't trust her. I'm speaking from a neutral standpoint. I neither say I won't tell you what my belief is on her, but the community doesn't seem to believe her at all.

12:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think this is an interesting statement if we actually take time to dissect it a little bit. So I think the first important note is that was given to him the same day. So the premier was on May twenty third, and the statement from Susan Go came out May twenty third as well. So that that's a really really fast response.

13:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's that. That's actually like really weird. I never actually put that together. So, by the way, if anyone knows government, they know it's the it's not it's anything but quick. So that I didn't realize it was that quick. Huh. So okay, So basically it reads so this is a John Greenwald Junior tweet for anyone who's listening in the future, because I'm gonna put on the audio platforms as well, although I do recommend watching it, uh, because we are he has Arthur has put a presentation together.

13:53 Speaker 2: So this is a tweet from John Greywall Junior, who is owner of the Black Vault dot com, saying the Pentagon has responded to the claims about the alleged UAP cited over twenty nine POMS. I have requests into the Marines for further comment, but for now, and then it goes into quotes. I can't confirm that there were military aviation assets in the twenty nine Palms, California airspace and a weapons and Tactics instructor course was being conducted at the time. There is no record of communication with the Base Range Control concerning a UAP siding, nor of the allocation of any base resource into investigate a UAP siding.

14:39 Speaker 2: AERO does not have a record of this alleged event and cannot verify the authenticity of this report. Dot dot Susan Go from the Department of Defense, at least as the spokesperson. Listen, when now, when did the actual event take place?

15:00 Speaker 3: Yes, it happened April twentieth, Let's see, I can find it here two years prior.

15:10 Speaker 4: So.

15:12 Speaker 2: April up, so roughly twenty twenty two.

15:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, well actually, yeah, I just need to exit out of here. The exact day. Let's see, it was April twentieth, twenty twenty one.

15:28 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually I always forget the chat. Yeah April, thank you. So okay, so they had a good amount of time, so this was never reported.

15:47 Speaker 3: Well, Corbel, he got the witnesses came to him two days after the event. So they reached out to Corbel two days after the event, and he interviewed at least two of the witnesses two days after the event.

16:04 Speaker 2: Meaning April twenty second, twenty twenty one. Now this is this is crucial because the topic at the time is almost at a fever pinch, right, because the twenty seventeen article comes out right even though it is riddled with error, and it was at a tip that got the money. It was alsoppy, it was big low and then a tip was a moniker used in the declassified setting. And it seems that luel Zondo may have taken over a program that didn't have any money. It wasn't there was no money allocated to it at least or did run out by then.

16:49 Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. But the subject was coming to a fever pitch. In twenty twenty, the they did admit that the videos are authentic, the three videos, the gimbal to Go Fast and the thick CAC So at this time it's still pretty stigmatized to report in the military. In twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. The pandemic is happening. People are very very distant, and it's a very weird time in the world. So I can understand at least why this went so long or maybe wasn't reported right away.

17:41 Speaker 3: Well, I'm my basic thesis is that there was a cover up associated with this, So I really yeah, yeah, I definitely think there was a major cover up associated with this, just because I'm going back to the tweet from Susan go Oh. I'll go back to that if you look at if you read it carefully, So this can so get the time right. So Courbel publishes a podcast and within twenty four hours you can see she's alleging that she reached out to the twenty nine Palms Air Force or the twenty nine Palms Marine Base and found out that there was nothing happening on that range that night, So there was no record of communication with the base Range Control concerning UAP.

18:29 Speaker 3: So that means that she had to engage with the communication with the twenty nine Palms base and then get a response from twenty nine Palms. That kind of thing does happen within it.

18:39 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen within twenty four hours. Listen I can. I can affirm that there's absolutely no way that within twenty four hours she was able to do that turnaround. So I wouldn't. I don't know if that is grounds to say that there's a cover up. I would just say that there was grounds for lack of just they just didn't want to deal with it.

19:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it would. It would definitely think it was.

19:18 Speaker 2: I would need suggestive.

19:20 Speaker 3: It's suggestive of a possible cover up to me, at least to me, it sounds like she had was prepared for responding. So I guess I'll lay out my basic like narrative of what I think happened, and then I'll go through the evidence. So I think there was a major sighting that night. I think there was at least there was at least fifty people who saw it, But we know that there was multiple locations on the base where people were filming it. So I would put the number of people who witnessed it upwards of three hundred.

19:53 Speaker 3: That's just an estimate. We know at least fifty, but I would say in the hundreds. And it lasted, you know, thirty five minutes. It was freaking people out even so much.

20:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, So in my research that I've done, even flares that are suspended even so, even if they're suspended by like parachutes, they're they're you know, they kind of like act like a hot air balloon. But even those ones don't fly for more than what I saw, Like like, they don't stay lit and burned for any longer than ten to twenty minutes. Like that was the max I could I could find.

20:38 Speaker 3: I found that they usually go from between three and seven minutes. That's a typical range for a parachute flare.

20:47 Speaker 3: It seems like you, like, I would be curious to see that because that seems like.

20:50 Speaker 2: Well I was, I was, I was, I was being very generous because from what I but the longest I really did see was and seconds. But I would say that DARPA has some crazy ass technology somewhere that could probably suspend and have a flare of that burns a little longer. But you know, I guarantee that they have some some crazy stuff, you know, some crazy technology, uh that that is on a shelf somewhere. So I would say that the longest flare would would because you wouldn't need it for for any longer than that.

21:29 Speaker 2: You wouldn't need it to burn any longer than that.

21:32 Speaker 3: And yeah, and if you're talking about some other technology other than a parachute with something heavy hanging off of it, and you're you're you're talking about some sort of you know, novel unknown technology. Basically, flares are pretty simple. They've been doing the same thing for yeah, probably one hundred years.

21:48 Speaker 2: There's not Yeah, they're not a complicated tool. So they sometimes they deploy them in a way that will like throw like enemy rocket fire off and like that. You know, it's an interesting it's cool, but again, these things are they're a very simple technology. They don't sustain flight, especially in a direct line like that. They're way more chaotic in the way that they look when they come down. The military tried to reproduce this multiple times to the people in Phoenix when the event happened in ninety seven, and they every single time they failed.

22:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's an important comparison the Phoenix Lights to this case, because according to my research, the things likes there was actually this V shaped craft that like flew over that large area and people are like looking up at it. The governor of the state actually witnessed it, and then in the in the immediate response to that. The theory is that they went out and launched some flares ye distraction to get everyone saying, oh, look there's some flares. So now everything that everyone saw that night was flares.

23:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was almost them like as as it was a counter intel, like.

23:11 Speaker 3: It was a cover up operation.

23:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and again, see that is evidence for now if you could prove to me that that they did that, if if they went up and launched flairs after so that's when I would say, Okay, maybe you got something uh with with some sort of uh uh uh cover up happening. But as of right now, I'm gonna stick with incompetence.

23:39 Speaker 3: Okay, well, why don't we go through kind of yeah, some of the videos and kind of everyone kind of educated on.

23:44 Speaker 2: This, Yeah, do you have do you have them in your presentation?

23:49 Speaker 3: They're not embedded into the slides, so I would have to bring it up through Twitter, which I can do.

24:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I and and it's one thing for and I like, like I said, I think a very good comparison case to to this, this is the Phoenix Lights. It's it's almost like it was a daytime version of of the Phoenix lights. Uh, it's it's it's missing one point of Uh. Well, I think Phoenix lights had six lights, six orbs rather than this one. This is a picture of it I have saved. So this is what I have. This is all I have, uh, at least handy. I have your thread as well.

24:43 Speaker 3: Okay, so we can kind of bring up. This is video one, all right?

24:49 Speaker 2: One second? Oh wait a second, this is a video?

24:59 Speaker 6: All right?

24:59 Speaker 3: God, yeah, I'll play it. Let's see.

25:05 Speaker 6: Here we are.

25:14 Speaker 7: What it is.

25:24 Speaker 3: Okay. So there's a total of five videos, the one

25:35 Speaker 3: video two. Here we go.

25:37 Speaker 4: Oh, those are not a limb rounds.

25:40 Speaker 2: Fall, see, so they're saying it in the video.

25:44 Speaker 4: And nobody shoots in a five gun section.

25:49 Speaker 7: No, you can see like an outline or something.

25:52 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's a question.

25:54 Speaker 2: You pause real quick.

25:55 Speaker 3: I paused it, all right.

25:57 Speaker 2: So I just want to go on the record here. And we all know this. We all, every single person in the world, at least that has a smartphone, knows that when you point your smartphone at something, even in the night sky, your eyes are so much better at seeing what the object is versus what we're seeing here. We've all had this problem, like even if you go to take a picture of the moon, you know, it comes out as a as a it looks like a Chris Bloedsoe orb floating through the picture, you know, in the in the picture, even with the iPhone fifteen that the Samsung Galaxy, I mean, that's all AI.

26:43 Speaker 2: It enhances the picture, so you're not getting the actual picture of the moon, so that they're seeing structure to this and they're they're literally stating it at the time.

26:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, say an outline, he says, I can see an outline.

27:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there, I mean, this thing does I wonder what they estimate that, how what the altitude of this thing was?

27:10 Speaker 3: Well, if they did, you know, that's a good question because I don't think Jeremy ever asked the witnesses how high up it was or.

27:17 Speaker 2: That would be like my third question, or how.

27:20 Speaker 3: Far, but you know it would be you know, an estimate. But yeah, I don't think we know that.

27:27 Speaker 2: Is this something like that you can see with our eyes, like because there are certain things in the night sky that if they're low enough, you know, you can get you see some detail of them. Right, you know, we're we have very good sight, you know, as as humans. Not great, not the best, but uh like we can make, uh make make things out in the night sky if it's especially in an area out there like that where the night sky is a little bit more open.

27:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it was quite close. Just for my now aalyasis that I've done, I think it was quite close to the base. And the reason I say that is because from different angles from video, the shape of the craft changes. So if it was really far away, it wouldn't change in configuration. If you moved, you know, two hundred yards to the left, it would still have the same shape. But in the videos that I'll go through, you'll actually be able to see that the shape changes from different locations, meaning it was probably pretty close.

28:33 Speaker 2: All right, you can continue it.

28:34 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll go through all these videos. This is a video tape.

28:46 Speaker 7: This is weird. We got UFOs outside.

28:52 Speaker 5: Everyone's out here.

28:55 Speaker 2: They're saying everybody's out here.

28:57 Speaker 4: Those are not allom round roun.

29:00 Speaker 2: So okay, I just want to again reiterate that they're literally in the video saying that they're not a loom arounds, which are the flares that would drop. He's literally saying they can't be they would never shoot him in that five motion that that that formation, and they would be falling. They wouldn't be maintaining at their elevation.

29:26 Speaker 3: Exactly, and they would fall pretty.

29:29 Speaker 2: Fast, you know, pretty pretty quickly.

29:31 Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's the upper limit that I've seen from typical flares. But I mean, of course there might be some weird ones that I haven't learned about, but that's the general. You know, three to seven minutes for a flare, and it falls pretty fast, and you know what you're you know, I'm sure they know what they're seeing. Okay, continue video three.

29:59 Speaker 2: Crazy see what others see.

30:07 Speaker 6: In my basic.

30:17 Speaker 4: Oh, it's not showing up in my camera.

30:24 Speaker 3: That was kind of interesting where he said, now it's not showing up in my camera, and the other guy said, yeah, the same.

30:31 Speaker 2: I don't know I heard.

30:33 Speaker 3: I don't know if that means that the auto focus just went out or it actually went It.

30:38 Speaker 2: Could have passed, So there's I guess. I would say, my best guess is is either it went behind something or like a cloud, or like you said, it cloaked or you know, did one of its dimensional things that UFOs seemed to be able to do.

30:58 Speaker 3: I don't know, I I think it might have been a function of the auto focus, But the question is what caused the auto focus to try to focus on something closer? So I will get to this later. But there are also these flashes that are happening around the five light formation, so maybe it was one of those flat unidentified flashes that the auto focus to go out. Oh okay, this is number four.

31:30 Speaker 4: I told you nothing.

31:35 Speaker 2: Wait, he's talking about research.

31:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a UFO nerd like us.

31:42 Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. You heard that? Yeah, all this research wasn't for nothing.

31:49 Speaker 4: Yeah.

31:50 Speaker 3: I think he's talking about how he talks to his friends about UFOs and researchers UFOs, and it's kind of saying like, look everyone, it's real. It wasn't wasted time.

32:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe it's yeah, yeah, I don't know, dude, Maybe he could be I don't know. I don't know. I want to I guess I'm going with my uh X files. That thing here is. I want to believe there's something more sinister to that, but it's probably just he's a he's a uphone nerd like us.

32:25 Speaker 6: Yeah.

32:25 Speaker 2: I think so that's probably what that is real. That thing is so yes, yes, it's and this thing is maintaining its coarse altitude and it is shimmering. My god.

32:51 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like phasing in and out.

32:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's like the auto focus. Oh okay, it's going in and out like that. Okay, let's see number five and then and then near the end of the event. An important thing is they launched two flares in response and seemingly in response to the five light formation. So in this last two videos you'll see these two bright orbs above a much dimmer five light formation, and those two bright orbs, like these two bright things right here, those are actually flares that were apparently launched in response to this, you know, formation to eliminate it.

33:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they did launch flares.

33:44 Speaker 3: They absolutely did launch, but it.

33:47 Speaker 2: Was it wasn't in. So they're they're they're they're they're just leaving some context out. That's all, susan, that's all they're doing. That's the cover up. They're just leaving the They're like, yeah, we launched flares, but we don't know what you're talking about. We just launched flares.

34:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and well they're trying to make it sound like it's all flares. Yeah, according to the narrative of the witnesses, they were seeing this unidentified you know, formation, and then near the end of the time that was visible, two mortar launch flares were launched from their camps. That's wild, Seemingly according to them, it was in response to this what they called it a craft.

34:33 Speaker 2: So I try to eliminate it. What you're telling me is that they they must have been pickancing up on radar. Then, oh, yeah, they they must have been like, this is an incursion, because what when I did ask my cousin about the safety standards of the base, Uh, there is strict no fly zones over those bases unless like training operations are underway. So if this credit, if they're I'm wondering why, if this is a genuine UFO, why they didn't shoot the thing down?

35:15 Speaker 3: Well, typically rules of engagement is you want to know your target before you shoot it. And so if that's the whole thing with UFO is if you can't get a positive ID on your target, you do not fire because you're you're you're risking shooting your friendlies that way.

35:30 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, we know, we we do know, and and and the Soviet Union did put out that order back in the day that said because they did they were firing upon UFOs, And then they put out after a ton of accidents, they put out a memo basically saying these things have a very high rate of like uh capacity of retaliate retaliation. So basically saying like if you if you mess with that, unfortunately they mess back harder, you know. Yeah, so don't don't do it. Just observe.

36:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably the best move unless you're you really know, what I would do is illuminate them. Yep. Watch the video number five and this is near the end of the event after they launched the two flares, but if you look closely, you'll you'll also see the five light formation.

36:29 Speaker 4: Please tell me this at the end of the world, see.

36:41 Speaker 3: All you can kind of see it now.

36:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they're they're in there for anyone who does Okay, look at the end of Weaponized go a little bit like halfway to the to the flares, and you can kind of see them right there. So they're in the distance and it seems they've they've launched these flares and obviously that's what's dimming them for our camera man. But unfortunately but they are trying to get a better look at this thing. Yep, that's what's happening.

37:35 Speaker 3: Okay.

37:37 Speaker 2: I wonder why the base didn't go on alert or anything.

37:40 Speaker 3: Well, according to the witnesses, there was a massive response in the immediate aftermath of the sighting where they had, you know, a bunch of high speed, low flying helicopters Zippen over Camp Wilson, which is not normal, and there was a convoy of trucks and there is a video of that too. There's one last video and this video came from Reddit, so this actually came out after This is separate. This came out after Corbell published his podcast. This is a different angle. But in this one you can also see the two flares right and then the five light formation below it.

38:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I was saying, so you could see so it's like halfway up the screen and they so it's now the only thing I'm having a hard time with is it seemed closer earlier. But the way the v shape is, you think it would be coming over their heads, but it seems like it's going away from them.

38:43 Speaker 3: That's what they said. If that audio in that last video when witness said that it seemed like it was going further away, so I think they launched the flares and maybe it kind of backed away. Okay, the flares. Maybe that's just one night. And then they also said the witnesses said it just disappeared, So that's cloaking. So that's that's one of the five observables. Ah yeah, yeah yeah, So let's play this last one and we can talk more. Heo.

39:19 Speaker 4: I think they know we're looking at them.

39:20 Speaker 3: You'll also see flashing.

39:26 Speaker 2: The cowpany do you hear how many people?

39:31 Speaker 3: Pardon?

39:32 Speaker 2: Do you hear? How many people are screaming? Yeah, like scream like like like not in like a scared way, because like I bet some of them were a little bit actually scared because they have no idea what's really going on. But it seems like there's a lot of people. So up to how many witnesses I heard around fifty?

39:56 Speaker 3: Well that's according to one of the witnesses who is at one location. He said there was at least fifty people in the immediate area where he was.

40:07 Speaker 2: Okay, so I got that's where I got that number. Yeah, fifty, at least fifty, but but but probably somewhere upwards of I would say that. My cousin told me that if it was fully if it was if it was if that area was full, which it most likely was at the time from the sounds of these videos, that you would be looking at three four maybe five hundred.

40:38 Speaker 4: Yeah.

40:38 Speaker 3: I could easily see that, especially considering there were different locations quite quite a ways away from each other. Yeah, like hundreds of yards away from each other very much that were filming.

40:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he said, because Camp Willson or I'd have to bring the text back up. But but basically what he said was that at.

41:03 Speaker 3: Let me bring it.

41:06 Speaker 2: So Camp Wilson, this is the one that they're at right there in that location, he said, he knows exactly where that location is. That's Camp Wilson. Camp Wilson, which is it's what is he saying, isn't a training area. It's a main camp to stage for units before they push out for the actual ranges. So it's like a staging area where they stage. So these guys there'd be like I said, upwards of five hundred. So it's not they're not actually like training or doing anything. It's more like a staging getting ready to go to the range.

41:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the largest military and largest marine base in the world. They have a ton of a space to go out and do things. They're not going to be launching flares and launching munitions right over the head.

42:01 Speaker 4: Of the king.

42:02 Speaker 2: No, No, absolutely not, especially this area where it's a staging area. It's like it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up. But clearly this thing provoked some response out of the base. So I wonder why John Greenwald is so quick to dismiss this case and not start for you requesting documents about that that evening.

42:30 Speaker 3: Well, actually he did make a FOYA request and we have the results of that, and that's also part of my research. Okay, yeah, so we'll get to that in a little bit. I just want to go through all the different videos. I think this was the last video, so we'll just finish playing this one. Start from the beginning again.

42:48 Speaker 4: Hey, oh, I think they know we're looking at him.

42:59 Speaker 4: Wait and if you look at.

43:01 Speaker 3: If you look at the the five light formation, you can kind of see that it's kind of like four lights and then one kind of goes down. This is what I was talking about, how the shape changes from different locations. And I'll get back to that later.

43:16 Speaker 2: But you don't think that's just perception.

43:20 Speaker 3: It is perception exactly. Yeah, so from a different angle it appears to look different. That's what I think is happening.

43:29 Speaker 2: Okay, but.

43:39 Speaker 4: Those are flares that we know.

43:40 Speaker 6: Those are flares.

43:41 Speaker 3: But what.

43:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so again again we have the marines differentiating the flares that they know and the lights that they do not know exactly. So, in my opinion, why is it, why are we not taking this seriously?

44:07 Speaker 3: I think it has to do with just, you know, first impressions matter for a lot of people. And in the immediate aftermath of when this case came out, you know, Mick West had a video out there, quote unquote debunking it. Greenwald had a statement from the government saying nothing to see here. And you know, I think there was just a bandwagon people are like and a lot of people don't like Corbel, so they're all there's also that factor they just hate Corbel just for you know him, is the fact that he's the person who brought out the case.

44:41 Speaker 3: That's enough for them to say it's all bullshit.

44:45 Speaker 2: I mean, look, don't get me wrong, guys, Listen, this is from the bottom of my heart. We all know. I've been very vocal about it lately. I'm so sick of the trust me bro attitude that is conveyed by some people in the community that put themselves on these high pedestals and kind of gatekeep information. And to say Jeremy is not one of those people is an understatement, okay, because he very much is.

45:25 Speaker 6: Now.

45:25 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he has not put out great work. Him and George Knapp. I like what they do that they're doing, but they definitely hold themselves high to a higher standard and to a higher degree than the rest of the community. They they are separate to the community, is the way they see it. They are giving the information. He said it in multiple podcasts about how he doesn't even check Twitter. He doesn't even look at the numbers for Weaponis you know this or that he doesn't? So in my in my opinion, listen, do I have to agree with I don't agree with doctor Greer, but I still watch every movie he makes because there are things like you got to separate the week from the chef, and you got it.

46:15 Speaker 2: In this community, you have to be able to look at both sides, lean through it, and take what you need from it.

46:22 Speaker 3: So that's what we need to do more of exactly. And I would just echo what you were saying about, you know, the gatekeepers in the community. And yeah, I could level a bunch of criticism against Corbel right now. But he also got this data, he got the video, and he put it out there, and I'm here analyzing that information. And I like to try to think of myself as being you know, objective in the sense that I can separate my feelings for a person from the case at hand. So that's what I'm trying to do with this case.

46:53 Speaker 5: I still.

46:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh, let's so this that video is interesting. So that came separately and much later, So that wasn't a part of the official.

47:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was not part of the release. And there's also a couple of photos that didn't come out with the release.

47:13 Speaker 2: Oh the photos came after.

47:16 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's so many different witnesses, like for instance, this photo came after so that, yes, this came after the podcast.

47:30 Speaker 2: Ship can you zoom in on that by your browser? Like if you go to your browser and to zoom in, Yeah, there you go. Ah. Twitter doesn't Yeah, Twitter doesn't let me do anything.

47:51 Speaker 3: But I might be able to bring it up because they have it.

47:56 Speaker 2: Because on a file right right here doesn't really look like much, but it does show like in the actual picture when you can see it in like clear form, it does show up as like you can see each individual point of light and it shows that that similar V shape. Yeah, yeah, what's different. What's different is the contrasts of the sighting here. So what that's what's thrown me off here?

48:31 Speaker 3: It looks it is a low light and this is an iPhone eleven taking a low light photo at night?

48:39 Speaker 2: How how did it get because the other videos are so dark?

48:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the the low light photo function on an iPhone you can take photos at night using a long exposure and it makes it much brighter, so like you can see the mountains and the hills away, So you can take photos like that. You can't take video of that night.

48:59 Speaker 2: So so this person had the wherewithal to do that, which is great. So I would love to get the actual picture up here. So, uh, while maybe while you find that I want to do, I do want to show you guys something because I found a couple instances of just what flares do look like when they're dropped. It looks something similar to this or something similar to this. They're very they leave trails of smoke behind them. They illuminated for for seconds, not minute, you know, sometimes not even minutes. Uh, they're very quick flash of light.

49:44 Speaker 2: But yeah, very these were not flares. I can definitely rule that out right now already.

49:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can definitely rule that out too. Here's another photo, a low light photo. You can just barely see the craft down here. And then let's see obviously that's has filters put on to it. But I think, why don't we dive into the witness testimony. You want to do that now that we've gone through the video.

50:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so let's do that. So these are some of the So what you're saying is, these are some of the marines that were there and their testimony that they gave to weaponize.

50:34 Speaker 3: Yep, okay, and we can just pause and whenever you want to talk about what they say.

50:41 Speaker 2: Good, let them playfully through.

50:45 Speaker 6: The artillery.

50:47 Speaker 7: What are the facts, man? What based which which marine based? And what time was this?

50:53 Speaker 6: Two nights ago? It was roughly like eight at night. It was twenty nine Palms, California.

51:00 Speaker 5: So I don't know if you're.

51:01 Speaker 8: Familiar with the base at all, but Camp Wilson is attached to twenty nine homes, so it's like a one way road in and out of the camp.

51:10 Speaker 9: One of my buddies moved out bad and he's looking at this guy, and then it just kind of appeared out of nowhere, and we all came out and looked, and then slowly, like fifty plus people started coming out and looking.

51:21 Speaker 6: Those lights appeared out of nowhere.

51:24 Speaker 7: Obviously a lot of people saw this. What did people think?

51:28 Speaker 6: They're just kind of they were just kind of like nobody could recognize it. I mean, we're all in the military, so you think we've.

51:36 Speaker 7: This happened in a number of places. I've got reports from other people that are coming in with the video you sent me, was that yours?

51:43 Speaker 6: Yes, that's my?

51:45 Speaker 7: And the photo is that a still photo or pulled from the video?

51:49 Speaker 6: It's a still photo. If you walk in picture, you can see like a black triang your shape.

51:54 Speaker 7: Why are these not flares.

51:56 Speaker 9: Because they stayed there first solid ten minutes, just in the same spot.

52:02 Speaker 7: And flares don't sit in one spot for ten minutes.

52:06 Speaker 6: No, they definitely they fall.

52:08 Speaker 7: So you personally know that These were not flares. Do you believe this was a crap?

52:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have to believe.

52:14 Speaker 9: So with the picture I took with the black right yours shape underneath the lights, it's definitely not any type of like flair illumination rounds or anything.

52:23 Speaker 6: I didn't need to fudge in.

52:24 Speaker 8: But I worked with artillery and we shoot illumination rounds out of our already guns into the air, so I loom infantry.

52:32 Speaker 6: Guys. Yeah, this was nothing compared to what that is.

52:36 Speaker 5: Like.

52:36 Speaker 8: This was something none of us had ever seen before. It was completely different color, The size of the illumination was just you shoot illumination rounds. It's one you shoot in the air and let it drop and then you shoot another one.

52:51 Speaker 6: This was like obviously you seen the picture.

52:53 Speaker 8: This was like five right next to each other, and they're kind of reddish, and our loom rounds are like a yellow white color.

53:01 Speaker 2: So as you can see right here.

53:04 Speaker 7: Was there any sound There was absolutely no sound.

53:07 Speaker 6: No sound, but it was definitely stationary.

53:10 Speaker 7: How big was it? Estimate to me?

53:12 Speaker 6: How big to uh one of those stealth bombers the size.

53:17 Speaker 7: Well, hold on, hold on, stealth bombers can't cover exactly.

53:20 Speaker 6: That's why I can compare it to that. But that's how I know it.

53:23 Speaker 9: Plus's that I would say the size of my three bedroom of the house. What maybe bigger?

53:32 Speaker 7: You said that there were like objects that came out and like circled it right after and then it went dark.

53:37 Speaker 5: What do you mean?

53:38 Speaker 9: So right before they went out, the allume rounds popped off over the top of it, those two orange lights, the actual alum rounds that went up over top of it. And then after that it disappeared like just straight went black, and then helicopter started like falling as they.

53:55 Speaker 2: Went whoa pause, Yeah, he said a helicopter.

54:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually had.

54:05 Speaker 2: A helicopter started hauling ass towards it.

54:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and then there's also a video of that too. They recorded the helicopter response in the car and they said there was a convoy response to a fifty plus trucks, so it was a big deal.

54:27 Speaker 2: So there was a massive response.

54:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was two flares launched at the time, and then immediately after there were helicopters hauling ass, low flying helicopters. What time was it, I was around eight pm? Eight pm, Yeah, and that in that time eight to eight thirty.

54:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would not be conducting training at that hour on that well they do, did you conduct training at night? I'm not, but I don't think the training thing doesn't seem like it's adding up because the people that be training just.

55:10 Speaker 3: They wouldn't be doing the training right where the camp is. They say they go out to the ranges, uh, and then do the training there and they come back to the camp. They don't do the training right at the camp exactly.

55:26 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what and that's what I mean, thank you. Yeah, but it's so the the the the active training doesn't so that takes that theory out for me. I don't think it's flairs, So now we can can Okay.

55:46 Speaker 9: The helicopters started like and they went like in the direction of it, and then they started circling the area.

55:53 Speaker 8: These helicopters were circling for a good bit afterwards, and there was a there was a convoy as well that went out. It was like a sixty plus truck convoy and we saw it go out as well, were take pictures afterwards.

56:07 Speaker 6: It was just straight black disappeared.

56:10 Speaker 7: What do you think you saw?

56:13 Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you.

56:15 Speaker 9: I just know, it's not anything that I recognized or any of my close defends could recognize either.

56:21 Speaker 6: So I don't think it was Anna became US military.

56:26 Speaker 9: Definitely some type of UFO, and Gover was trying to look for it after it disappeared.

56:32 Speaker 6: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell that was.

56:35 Speaker 7: This is a highly documented event. We just don't know what it is.

56:40 Speaker 9: Yeah, like through exercises that We've worked with a lot of people who use different type of weapons.

56:46 Speaker 6: So I've never seen anything like it.

56:48 Speaker 3: What the fuck? Okay, So that was the first two witnesses there.

56:54 Speaker 2: Oh my god. So I'm just gonna say it. They don't sound you again. You can hear it in their voices that they they they did not know what this was. This this this this caught them by.

57:17 Speaker 3: Surprise and they were disturbed, I think, and and and and again.

57:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when something and and twenty nine Palms is a very very active military base.

57:34 Speaker 3: So it's also a paranormal hotspot. That area that's Joshua Tree right right by there, yes, and that whole hobby desert there. Yeah, And there's also been talk that twenty nine Palms might have a deep underground military base located there as well, a Doug.

57:55 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised, but I can't confirm more than.

58:01 Speaker 3: I Yeah, I don't know. That's just that's just out in ether in the community. Like there's some maps of deep underground military basis, and.

58:13 Speaker 2: I would say, I would say that it would be stupid not to so but let's let's continue with the witnesses.

58:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.

58:28 Speaker 2: So that's why I'm putting up banners and stuff.

58:30 Speaker 3: I put up the banners as much as possible, and this is OZ and like talk about it as much as possible.

58:38 Speaker 2: Fair use, Yeah, because I can do the fair use. I just don't want to get I.

58:42 Speaker 3: Don't think Corbel is gonna strike you down. If he did, that would be a big deal in the community, right.

58:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if anyone does, if if I am strucking down Corbell, come on, man, you say you don't care, right, you don't care, So put your money way about this. Let me let me use this. But let's continue.

59:07 Speaker 10: April twentieth, twenty twenty one. You were there that night, yes, and you saw it.

59:14 Speaker 5: Yes, I saw it appear and disappeared.

59:17 Speaker 10: Well, first of all, how many people do you think saw this.

59:22 Speaker 11: So there there's like fifteen people in my hoops and the line the hooches, there's a bunch of people.

59:30 Speaker 5: There's like ten booches in a line with people on it. So a lot of people saw it.

59:35 Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard about fifty witnesses at Camp Wilson alone. Yeah, how you first alerted to the fact that was outside? Like, how did you first see it?

59:44 Speaker 11: When we were there, we would have like at night, we'd have like story time or saw them just past the time it disappeared.

59:53 Speaker 5: And then when we saw it, and then I would start freaking out.

59:58 Speaker 10: They really they were freaking out of little bitter.

1:00:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're freaking out.

1:00:02 Speaker 4: They were.

1:00:03 Speaker 2: I mean in some of the videos, we can hear that there are there. That's what I and I brought it up earlier. There is some commotion in the background. You could kind of hear it at the end of one of the videos where like like there's not like it is.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: The I think one guy the end of the world.

1:00:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're like literally pondering this, and and I've had my own UFO's hiding but it didn't last that long, So I can't say that that I don't I wouldn't be asking this questions, right if if I was them, you know, because there's they're the ones who're supposed to know.

1:00:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll start this back up.

1:00:53 Speaker 10: No one knew what it was, and how long would you suspect that it was there? What's the longest length that it was there?

1:01:02 Speaker 5: Thirty five minutes?

1:01:04 Speaker 3: Really?

1:01:05 Speaker 6: Wow?

1:01:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's that thirty five minutes.

1:01:09 Speaker 2: So again, just so we're very clear, there is not a flare known that can sustain its altitude information perfectly and then move in code. So move like literally move its distance away, maintaining altitude and staying and staying lit. This object is clearly moving. I don't know what direction, but it is moving away from the cameraman's perspective. So it's moving. So uh, there's no way that that that that it's flares.

1:01:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree. Not flares. And that's the biggest point because everyone is saying, oh, it's flares, but those are low information people. I feel like they haven't listened the witnesses.

1:02:01 Speaker 2: Or I feel bad. I feel terrible that I was one of those people.

1:02:06 Speaker 3: It's okay, well, maybe we'll we'll start the movement to get get the rest of the UFO community looking at this case again.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to help because this is this is actually wild.

1:02:17 Speaker 3: Yeah all right, let's keep going.

1:02:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was there for a hob minute.

1:02:22 Speaker 10: A lot of people are saying that these are flares.

1:02:27 Speaker 6: No, they weren't.

1:02:29 Speaker 5: Definitely not flairs. I think it was a crap.

1:02:35 Speaker 10: It was weird so that this was unlike anything you've seen before or since.

1:02:40 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, first time seeing something like that. Yeah, it definitely looked like a craft.

1:02:47 Speaker 10: Was there any sound, no sound at all?

1:02:52 Speaker 5: It was kind of eerie.

1:02:54 Speaker 10: And if you had to just guesstimate and you give me an estimate size, but now was pretty big.

1:03:01 Speaker 5: It was pretty much like the same length as the top of the bout. So I'm saying like.

1:03:07 Speaker 6: At least.

1:03:10 Speaker 11: Seventy five yards, like almost a little more than half the bowldfield.

1:03:16 Speaker 10: I would say, yeah, I keep hearing that, and you still don't know what it was.

1:03:23 Speaker 5: No, I could speculate that it was definitely UFOE.

1:03:27 Speaker 10: Why would you call it a UFO? Sorry, identified it wasn't some military object or craft?

1:03:36 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1:03:37 Speaker 6: No.

1:03:39 Speaker 11: If it was, the wife would have been blinking and it would have been moving, and I was not doing any of that.

1:03:45 Speaker 5: The night was pretty crazy.

1:03:47 Speaker 11: Why there was boys of vehicles, helicopters, snunn you'd really see happen there.

1:03:54 Speaker 10: So that was unusual. The response was unusual.

1:03:57 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, there was like a convoy that night of people's heading that way.

1:04:02 Speaker 5: Had to be at least like fifty to seventy trucks. It was a huge convoy and then all night long flying around everywhere.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty to seven So okay, so we have a massive response. We have flares being shot, and in the video you can differentiate what a flare looks like versus what not a flair looks like, what a craft of unknown origin may look like. Potentially we have a massive response from not only helicopters that hauled asked, and then we're circling the base. But fifty to seventy trucks. Yeah, you don't. You don't unless this is again again, unless this is some sort of like like we'd do shadow government test against our own government with some sort of advanced craft Darba has has come cooked up, reverse engineered, you know, like crush the same.

1:05:13 Speaker 2: Well, it's something like that.

1:05:17 Speaker 2: I'm baffled.

1:05:20 Speaker 3: That's why I now more towards the you know et hypothesis than the classified military technology, because why would they be responding to their own technology. Why would they be sending a convoy out if it's their own stuff?

1:05:35 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and and and so I see someone of the comments has experience with artillery, So I would love to hear the argument for how this could be sustained flight, how you could sustain players for so. So, essentially, what you would be saying is that if if the were flares, that this event unfolded in mere minutes rather than the thirty five to forty minutes, because that's the only way the flare hypothesis works is if you take the timeframe of what the gentlemen are saying and cut that down to minutes, right, And even then you make you'd have a hard time pressing the flare case.

1:06:27 Speaker 2: So someone's lying. Somebody is lying. Either Susan Go, the Department of Defense, or the witnesses are lying.

1:06:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would definitely put my money on Susan Go because I find these people a lot more credits. She's probably the least credible person in my book.

1:06:51 Speaker 2: Right, if we put the videos all together, how much video time do we have of this craft.

1:07:00 Speaker 8: Yeah.

1:07:01 Speaker 3: So according to Corbell, the earliest video according to the metadata, uh to the the last video that he has, according to the metadata, was a span of six minutes, So he only has a six minute hard data. But even that that's still pushing it. Seven minutes is about the top, and they don't they wouldn't stay in the same spot.

1:07:26 Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry, even if you have experienced with flares, I just if we have, If there's truly six minutes of video and this thing is sustained altitude and it's just sustaining its altitude for the full six minutes of video, and we can prove, be on a shadow of a doubt, that all the videos are from separate time frames, then I think the flare excuse could be written off as literally not possibility, not a not possible.

1:08:08 Speaker 5: But I agree.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: But let's just play Devil's Advocate and say it was flares.

1:08:17 Speaker 2: What did they have seen them come down? At one point?

1:08:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll get to another witness who describes what a flare looks like.

1:08:26 Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, because because eventually a flare comes down, these guys say it disappeared.

1:08:33 Speaker 3: Yes, they said it like it They kind of described it as like it cloaked, because they said they saw that the five light formation and then like an outline of it, and then they said as the two flares that they launched in response kind of floated down and got closer to the five light formation, that it just disappeared like it cloaked.

1:08:53 Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, All right, let's keep going.

1:08:58 Speaker 10: Are it was very unusual even though that was part of your you're there for training missions and there's a known training mission going on there at that time, this is still unusual.

1:09:09 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was definitely very unusual.

1:09:11 Speaker 10: The response was unusual. Yeah, what's your interpretation of that response?

1:09:17 Speaker 11: I think they're probably going to hunt it down or something to see if they could find it.

1:09:23 Speaker 5: Oh no, it was pretty wild. Definitely wasn't players.

1:09:34 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. You said that witness quotations was not flares.

1:09:42 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they all they all pretty much agree with that that it wasn't flaars and like.

1:09:48 Speaker 2: Insert witness in like literally insert witness, they all bring it up it was not flares. So either there again, either they're perpetrating Yeah, some sort of this elaborate hoax about a training mission, which I again that that is more unbelievable than just being a fucking craft of an unknown origin.

1:10:16 Speaker 4: I agree.

1:10:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of get all these guys together.

1:10:20 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, because in life.

1:10:27 Speaker 3: You could hear them, you could hear them respond in live time that they couldn't figure it out. So unless they had a you know, they got together ahead of time and they're like, okay, so there's gonna be some flares that're gonna drop, and let's all act crazy like we don't know what's going on.

1:10:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems see, it almost seems implausible that that I don't know, are we that is our military that starved for attention while while on the mainland. I personally assure you that they're not so not personally, actually, I don't know why I said that. I can't personally, but I can mutually assure you that they have much better things to be doing than creating an elaborate hoax about a UFO in the air. It's not like Corbell's paying them for the testimony, at least I hope not.

1:11:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go to number four right now.

1:11:34 Speaker 6: I'm just going to school and working.

1:11:35 Speaker 10: I work an engineering company. In all of your time in the military the five years. Did you have a specialty or anything that you did by trade. I was a data systems technician. I worked on all the communications equipment and stuff that the ground guys used. I did that and I operated it too.

1:11:52 Speaker 12: For example, you know the guys running around in the movies with the antennas and they're always like calling it up there the one's communicating with the ups and you know, doing that kind of stuff, like, that's that's what I did.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: You know.

1:12:03 Speaker 10: April twentieth, twenty twenty one, about eight twenty pm. As far as this event, walk me through it.

1:12:11 Speaker 7: We were out in Poms, if I recall correctly, I was one of the first people. I walked outside, and I was like, what the fuck is that?

1:12:17 Speaker 5: That was weird?

1:12:18 Speaker 10: And I was like, dude. That's when I pulled my head inside and I was like, hey, guys, there's like some weird stuff in the sky.

1:12:25 Speaker 6: You guys just come check this out.

1:12:27 Speaker 10: And then so when everyone came outside, and then like in one of the pictures I sent you, you can see just rows of like those cans that we were sleeping in, just rose of people coming out and like looking up into the sky. I've heard different timelines.

1:12:39 Speaker 2: Of like how long it was they're in there, skippy guy, can you.

1:12:43 Speaker 10: Tell me for how long you saw it in the sky.

1:12:46 Speaker 2: They're in their skippies out there watching that's how, that's how. That's how crazy it was. They're out in their skippies, bro, They're literally in their underwear out there watching this this thing.

1:13:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at you can see their phones. There's at least I can see three people with their phones out, so there's maybe four people.

1:13:10 Speaker 2: There's probably way more video.

1:13:12 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more video because we got an additional video and additional two photos that came through Reddit after Corbell published his podcast. So, I mean this is a shout out to if there's if anyone knows any of the witnesses, reach out to Tie or myself and we'd love to talk more and try to get more footage and just get there, you know, get their point of view. Even if you've never weren't there that night, if you but if you were someone who's been at that base, I'd love to talk to you get more context about the situation.

1:13:45 Speaker 2: Yeah. Please, if you're one of the witnesses, please please reach out. I would love to talk to uh to someone who actually saw this, but we can continue the video.

1:13:58 Speaker 10: You saw it in the sky.

1:14:01 Speaker 5: I was outside for at least ten to fifteen minutes.

1:14:05 Speaker 2: I know that.

1:14:05 Speaker 5: I wasn't outside like the whole time.

1:14:08 Speaker 10: Did you see when they shot flares up and they had those lumin flares?

1:14:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

1:14:13 Speaker 10: There's one of the pictures I sent you. There's flares in the sky with the lights behind it. One of the kids, he goes, you could see a shape, he said about it not just being lights, but seeing the shape of a body of a craft. Did you see that?

1:14:29 Speaker 6: Yeah?

1:14:29 Speaker 10: Yeah, it just they were stagnant. They weren't moving. They were very in place. That's what was so weird to us is that it was just kind of just like there. Did they drop like flares, did they descend like flares or did it stay and hover and play?

1:14:45 Speaker 6: No, not at all.

1:14:46 Speaker 10: That's not what these lights were doing. The lights were pretty stagnant in the sky and not moving anywhere besize. If you had to guess, it was a big object. Whatever it was, it was, it had some mass to it. It wasn't just you know, some freaking small, unmanned thing flying in the sky. I mean with the distance and stuff. It could have been as big as a freaking football field. Honestly, that's like something.

1:15:15 Speaker 2: That's one thing we keep hearing is it's it's roughly the size of a football field or half a football field at least, so that we could say that probably is.

1:15:32 Speaker 6: Uh.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: I wonder if we could calculate how high the flares were, what's the max on the flares? And then But but that's just me thinking out loud.

1:15:47 Speaker 3: No, No, I think that's a good thing to think about, like can we triangulate this?

1:15:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple.

1:15:54 Speaker 3: And I I've done a little bit of that work, so it is possible. But the thing that's holding me back right now.

1:16:01 Speaker 2: There's gotta be more data.

1:16:03 Speaker 3: There's more data.

1:16:04 Speaker 2: The military is holding back.

1:16:07 Speaker 3: Oh the military, Oh my gosh, they probably have a ton of data and anything. They got radar, they got all sorts of you know CEE, you know, CRT cameras, security cameras all over the place.

1:16:18 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1:16:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they probably if they had any assets out there. You know, they have night vision, thermal vision, so a ton of stuff. But something that that's been holding me back from doing more analysis is I don't have the metadata on some of these videos that when Corbel released his videos, you didn't really give us the metadata. So if you're listening, Corbel, please send me the metadata.

1:16:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have about we actually had about two hundred and fifty live. But again it's always mostly on Twitter. That's the thing. Nowadays. People just watch on X which I like, I like, but they can't comment. They don't their comments so come through for some reason. It's weird.

1:17:03 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:17:03 Speaker 2: So this, this, this case is really blowing my mind. So this there's so much more to this than I thought.

1:17:10 Speaker 3: Oh, there's so much more. I haven't gotten into my analysis yet. All right, but let's finish these witnesses out you've ever seen before?

1:17:19 Speaker 13: No, were those as a lance corporal at twenty nine poems.

1:17:26 Speaker 10: At Campbellton without knowing any of the hubbub in the media right now that's going on. You know what night I'm referring to, right.

1:17:36 Speaker 5: Yes, fair, I do.

1:17:37 Speaker 10: In twenty twenty one, twentieth of April, you were there, Yes, I was. You know exactly what I'm asking about, don't you.

1:17:48 Speaker 13: I know the exact date because I remember when the helicopters started taken off and they were flying jets all over the base.

1:17:54 Speaker 5: All sporadically. Now we have jets that happened yep.

1:17:58 Speaker 3: So we got helicopters, jets, yep.

1:18:03 Speaker 2: I'm literally taking a list. So now we have a witness saying that there were jets deployed. I'm starting to wonder that the reason that we don't have any footage of that is because it's inherently classified.

1:18:22 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, anything in the in the military, if it's a military camera or a military sensor, it's automatically classified.

1:18:30 Speaker 2: Right. Well, that, but I'm talking about even these these guys's footage, I.

1:18:36 Speaker 3: Mean their cell phone camera footage.

1:18:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think maybe if you're listen, if you think there is a cover up, I think that there's some things that that they might have to be holding.

1:18:49 Speaker 3: Back, that it's possible. But the thing is, all these witnesses said that they were confused that no one wanted to interview them after the event. You know, they were like, why doesn't anyone want to get you know, the details of what we saw? So I think they their their modus operande is to you know, silence, you know, and it's silence and then maybe have a cover up afterwards. So I don't think that the cell phone footage would have been classified because it's not a classified sense.

1:19:21 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, Well maybe I should have waited for your analysis on that one because I didn't know if anyone had visited them, but it seems like that was the.

1:19:31 Speaker 3: No, yeah, no one, No one interviewed them or visited to them and wanted to get their point of view. And they were kind of confused by that because they're like, this big, big thing happened last night, and seems like none of our higher ups even get give.

1:19:44 Speaker 2: A ship, right, But that's kind of a that's like a Kevin Day told me or someone I can't remember who it was, Uh, there was. It seems that that's a common theme.

1:20:00 Speaker 3: Well, my guess is that the military, the higher ups and the military, they have way more data than what these witnesses have. So it's like they don't even need the witnesses to know what happened.

1:20:13 Speaker 2: Right, They're they're they're focused on compartmentalizing it, so we can talk about that later.

1:20:23 Speaker 3: Let's finish okay.

1:20:24 Speaker 10: Off, okay, and is that your voice in the video that says you can see a shape?

1:20:30 Speaker 13: Yes, sir, I already know which video you're talking about. We all ran outside seeing.

1:20:35 Speaker 4: What it was.

1:20:36 Speaker 13: At first, of course we all thought it was players, but players don't stay open the air that long. They were in like a triangular shaped They were just hoping that pattern for a long time. You can kind of see an outline of something, but we weren't sure what it was.

1:20:50 Speaker 5: It just looks like something I've never seen. It was very odd.

1:20:55 Speaker 13: Why, Well, when a player gets shot up, I mean, it leaves a trail and it's also being parachuted, so it doesn't sit in the same spot for a very long period to come and the light dims down. That light was there for a very long time.

1:21:12 Speaker 10: How long.

1:21:15 Speaker 5: I can't remember precisely how long it.

1:21:17 Speaker 10: Was, like approximate, was it five minutes, was it an hour?

1:21:22 Speaker 13: I remember we were all out there probably for about I did thirty minutes looking at it, which I guess that makes no sense to me if it would be a flare, because a flare is continuously falling, you'll see that.

1:21:34 Speaker 3: So there's two witnesses that said it was thirty minutes.

1:21:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's multiple witnesses now saying that that. We have a timeline of approximately up to thirty five minutes, somewhere between thirty and thirty five minutes.

1:21:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we might have gone by it already and I didn't stop. But one of the witnesses said he actually saw it a peer, so he was there from the very beginning when it appeared to the very end. Other witnesses were.

1:22:07 Speaker 2: Did did he did he? Because I may have missed that. Did he say that it just looked like the same way it left, like just appeared, or did he say it like just entered the field of view?

1:22:21 Speaker 3: I don't think he gave that specific details. So he just said that he saw it when it first appeared.

1:22:27 Speaker 2: And see, that's why I need to interview them. Well, come on, we can do much better.

1:22:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, we can get more more out of these witnesses.

1:22:37 Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to get these guys I got. I'm not. I don't want to say I have polled, but I mean I I.

1:22:45 Speaker 13: You can do it.

1:22:46 Speaker 2: I can do it. I can do it.

1:22:48 Speaker 3: I got you hooked on this case. So we're teaming up. Now, all right, let's keep listening.

1:22:54 Speaker 13: That's smoke. There's a parachute attached to him. So they slow down, they all and you didn't You couldn't see a parachute on them. Even if they were zoomed in, they weren't moving. It wasn't even burning like a burning kind of light, because you know a flare's combustion.

1:23:13 Speaker 3: I have a video where so that's an important important point. And he said it wasn't like a burning light like a like a flare doesn't have a steady light. It kind of like fluctuates as it burns.

1:23:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would, it would. It would. What it would be like to the camera is like it would be intensity and then the intensity would drop, intensity drop. It would be a constant fluctuation and it would look very very uh well, we see what it looks like.

1:23:48 Speaker 3: Yeah the video mm hmm.

1:23:51 Speaker 2: So yeah, it just doesn't that's a it's a great he's he's bringing up exactly. He's kind of saying everything I think everyone's thinking.

1:24:03 Speaker 10: Okay, afterwards, these loom flares go up and they look very different, like they're falling.

1:24:10 Speaker 5: And it's durastically different from what we saw.

1:24:13 Speaker 10: Your adamant that these were not flares, Yes, sir, And is it because of the proximity to you, the color of them, not seeing descent, not seeing smoke. Why are these not flares?

1:24:28 Speaker 13: The smoke descent, Like I said, the flares of combustion light, so it's kind of flickering the entire time. And then those lights weren't flickering.

1:24:39 Speaker 5: Like just bright, just the and thebes in a triangle.

1:24:46 Speaker 4: What was that?

1:24:47 Speaker 5: See?

1:24:48 Speaker 2: There are there are so many questions like did the craft make sound? It sounds from the video that it didn't, so that's an Then we have low visibility. Uh, we have many of the observables.

1:25:04 Speaker 3: So in positive lift, like it wasn't falling down, so something was keeping it from falling down. So that's one of the fine anti gravity.

1:25:13 Speaker 2: So we have we have multiple of the five observables. Yeah, we have two of them at least they at least Yeah, And if you want to if you do want to say, if you want to go on the witnesses claims this thing just disappeared, I would say that that falls under the instantaneous acceleration category because it's it's either uh, you know, cloaking or going into a different dimension or doing something at you know, rapid speed. So I would say that that would fall as a third observable. So yeah, this this thing is is odd.

1:25:52 Speaker 2: This is odd.

1:25:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is odd. And I think when this case came out, there was so much happening in the UFO community at the time, Like I think Rush.

1:26:03 Speaker 2: Might have just came out, just that it got overshadowed. Yes, it got overshadowed, you know. I think I definitely think that that are added part to play.

1:26:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, keep going.

1:26:20 Speaker 10: You're saying that with normal flares that I assume you've seen a lot of in your military career, right, yes, sir, Okay, so this doesn't look like any flare that you've ever seen.

1:26:31 Speaker 13: I have not seen a flare like that in my military career. It looks like it was eliminated from a bulb or some other stores.

1:26:40 Speaker 10: What was the color that you kind of saw compared to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

1:26:47 Speaker 13: I mean, we have some flareres, we have red flares, but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lights were with like a hat of yellow around it. We don't have flayers that are like that color. Like the red flayers are like a blood red color, very.

1:27:03 Speaker 10: Bright and if you had to approximate the side.

1:27:07 Speaker 3: So that's another point that he made is the color wasn't.

1:27:09 Speaker 2: Correct, right, It's a it was a it was a white, whitish blue versus a orange yellow.

1:27:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go back and listen to exactly what he said. Let's see.

1:27:28 Speaker 2: Well, it's also that he seems to say that they're self illuminating, meaning they're they're illuminated from within an outward.

1:27:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a light bulb, like he described it, like a light bulb.

1:27:39 Speaker 10: Right, Okay, is it different in color?

1:27:43 Speaker 13: I mean, we have some players we have red flares, but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lights were with like a hand of yellow around it. We don't have players that are like that color, Like the red flayers are like a blood red color.

1:27:59 Speaker 10: A very right, And if you had to approximate the size, what would the size of what you're seeing?

1:28:06 Speaker 5: How big was that for to be that pronounced from that distance? I mean it had to be pretty large.

1:28:13 Speaker 10: So a lot of people are saying, what you know, Well, that's just a normal training exercise. Aren't there always training exercises on that base?

1:28:21 Speaker 13: Yes, sir, Before any big deployment of Marine infantry unit will train on that base.

1:28:26 Speaker 10: Let me ask you this. I was told that right after there was a pretty massive response, you know, sixty five time vehicles Humbi's helicopters that went to like eleven thirty at night. Were you witnessed to that as well?

1:28:41 Speaker 2: Three hours yes, Sarah was.

1:28:43 Speaker 10: Do you think that was in direct response to what you saw?

1:28:47 Speaker 5: I believe.

1:28:48 Speaker 10: So what do you think they were doing?

1:28:52 Speaker 13: I think they were just surveying, maybe trying to keep anything away from ust, seeing what's out there, and the same thing, they had jets fired up and they were feeling full blast in that direction.

1:29:06 Speaker 10: Do you think it was a craft?

1:29:10 Speaker 5: Honestly, sorry, it looked like it was observing. It's just that then and just watched us. That's what it felt like.

1:29:18 Speaker 10: Can you just explain that to me? So I understand, well.

1:29:24 Speaker 13: Like in our line of work, if we were gonna do recon on our enemy or something to would take a high advantage point where we could see a base and we would plant it out.

1:29:35 Speaker 5: After a while. It just now it's just even more just we know.

1:29:40 Speaker 13: It wasn't players, because we talked about it a lot that night, it just.

1:29:44 Speaker 5: Felt like if it was something not from here, that's what they were doing.

1:29:52 Speaker 10: How does that make you feel?

1:29:57 Speaker 5: Kind of I don't know how to explain it.

1:30:00 Speaker 13: I feel like I've known about it, and it's just like I felt like we've just been getting lid too for a long time about it, and now that I saw that, it kind of just you know, confirmed it for me, at least to myself, it did.

1:30:18 Speaker 2: Wow.

1:30:20 Speaker 3: Okay that was the five witnesses.

1:30:22 Speaker 5: Wow.

1:30:23 Speaker 2: So just to recap, we have approximately six minutes of video,

1:30:35 Speaker 2: six minutes of video shot, and there was a massive response. Two flares at least shot to illuminate the object, while a convoy of fifty to seventy vehicles trucks loaded with I assume tools for observation and reconnaissance, as well as jets and helicopters being deployed. So this is a massive response, massive and from what it sounds like, the witnesses are very clear and adamant, and they want to make sure that we know that it's not flares and that the base it provoked a base response if it.

1:31:29 Speaker 3: This was not something that was planned, right, And we do have one last video, which is the response video, so I can bring that up.

1:31:39 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, copter turned, They're said it.

1:31:46 Speaker 5: So many fucking helicopters turned.

1:31:49 Speaker 3: They're chasing sun, they're flying.

1:31:53 Speaker 2: Holy fuck, they're going fast as hell too.

1:31:57 Speaker 13: They're in like a formation under shod it so many fucking helicopters right now, so we.

1:32:04 Speaker 2: Just can't see them.

1:32:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the audio, okay, they just I think you might have been able to see a couple of the flashing of the the running lights from the hell yeah, at.

1:32:15 Speaker 2: The at the end there. But so they were documenting the the response by the helicopters. So that okay, all right, So that I mean that, can you bring that picture up right there?

1:32:30 Speaker 3: This one here?

1:32:31 Speaker 2: Yep? So that again, guys, that is what it looks like what the craft. Uh so you could see its position in this photo is different than the orientation from the video. The video that was taken is from a slightly different angle. Uh. And it's it's it's very peculiar. Uh. So you know a lot of people saw this thing. Uh And I would love to see what you got on the rest of your slides.

1:33:03 Speaker 3: Sure, and you're talking about the orientation, I got something specific for that.

1:33:08 Speaker 5: Here.

1:33:09 Speaker 3: Let's seem find it, okay, Yeah, this one right here, So this is there are two videos of the As you can see, there's the two flares at the top and the craft or the five light formation on the bottom, and we can even though we don't have the metadata so we don't know what times these were taken, you can roughly say that this was about the same time because the flares are about this about the same distance from the five light formation. So if if so, that's the case, you can see there's a difference in orientation of the lights like here, I'll bring it up maybe a little closer there, right, Yeah, two different I think it's something like two hundred or three hundred yards away from each other.

1:34:06 Speaker 2: But taken almost almost at the same exact time.

1:34:11 Speaker 3: Yes, because we can tell that because of the two flares, they were launched at that same time. So to me, this proves that this object was pretty close close up because it was really like miles away in the distance. Changing it, you know, one hundred and two hundred yards to the left or the right would not change the configuration of the lights like this. So this thing was close. This thing was close.

1:34:38 Speaker 11: Yeah.

1:34:39 Speaker 2: What really throws me is in that picture on the right,

1:34:44 Speaker 2: the it almost looks like it's Oh, I guess I can't tell from orientation, but I was going to say, it looks like it's it's like you said earlier, like it's turning or responding to the flares, and the response

1:35:07 Speaker 2: like it went from us, it went from this to this to almost like move out of the way, get out of you know, to move okay, you know, the gig's up, let's go, you know. And it turned and then took off.

1:35:23 Speaker 3: I would say I would push back on the fact that it was turning. I don't think it was turning. I think let's just assume that both of these photos were taken at the exact same second, right, We'll just assume that. If that's the case, the change in in configuration or angle means that the different perspectives caused that shit shift in what it looks like, not the actual object change moving, just the perspective change, so that it caused this change in angle. Gotcha, Does that make sense to you?

1:36:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it does. It does. And it definitely has a peculiar It might not be exactly a V, but uh, it definitely has that that that that that's that shape like similar to the phoenix lights.

1:36:23 Speaker 3: Yes, it does a V shape formation. And this is an enhanced version some filters applied to one of the photos. You can kind of you can kind of see the outline on this one. Some filters apply.

1:36:38 Speaker 2: What do you see the other one? So look on all the way to the left of the picture under the Yeah, I.

1:36:51 Speaker 3: Think that's from the power line. I think there's a power line coming. I lenk get the original.

1:36:58 Speaker 2: Oh maybe I was, yeah, because I was like, it's a similar purple.

1:37:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do have the original here, so this is the original. So I think that was the power

1:37:13 Speaker 3: how uh, let me see like this right here? Is this what you're talking about?

1:37:20 Speaker 2: Yeah? How is that the power line?

1:37:22 Speaker 3: Well, you know how they have lines that go down to anchor the pole so it doesn't fall over. That's one of the This is like probably a cable going down like this.

1:37:32 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a little color blind, so maybe I can't see as much detail as you. I can't see. I can't see the cable.

1:37:43 Speaker 3: It's okay, Yeah, I think that is a cable. I think there was only just that there was some flashing though, So let's let's maybe talk about the flashing. It was also observed. Let's see I slowed it down. Yeah, here we go, So in this video you should be able to see a flash to the left upper left of the five light formation right there.

1:38:18 Speaker 2: Oh ooh, ooh, what was that?

1:38:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, and even comments if you listen, it's still flashing.

1:38:37 Speaker 4: More lights around it.

1:38:39 Speaker 2: There's more lights around it. So again this brings this brings me back to that notion of remember, this is just twenty eleven iPhones. What we see with our eyes is much clearer, so they're probably seeing something again, just like I said that that has literally caught them off guard.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's also in this video there's flashing. I slowed it down, Bella, see that flash. We'll go ahead, We'll do it again to the left of the flares, the two bright flares, look to the left of it.

1:39:33 Speaker 3: But there was I'll bring it back right there.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: Oh yep, yep, I saw it. Huh, I missed it.

1:39:46 Speaker 3: But yeah, there's flashing in these videos. So that's another identified thing.

1:39:52 Speaker 2: That you know. That is another thing about I hate to keep bringing this up, but about the Phoenix Lights incident, people say there was the main V formation, but there was other smaller uh probes that were that basically came uh the assumed came out of the craft and we're exploring the area right obviously, that making that the quote unquote mothership.

1:40:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, we I mean, there's a whole host of possibilities of what those flashes. Yeah, they could be a smaller probe that they're launching out it. Also, it could be some sort of energy weapon. We don't even know. Maybe it was an energy weapon. It could have been. You know, those are the two things that come to my mind that what would cause you.

1:40:44 Speaker 2: Think you think that the military was was firing direct energy weapons. Potentially it's possible. Wow, wow, wow, that's that's.

1:41:00 Speaker 3: If you think about it, you know, I mean, I assume, I'm of the belief that we reverse engineered a lot of this technology already, and if that's the case, I think we have directed energy weapons as well. So if this was an et craft or a non non NHI craft, you might think that they might try to shoot it down with energy weapons. Oh god.

1:41:24 Speaker 2: See, And that's who gives them the fucking right, Who gives them the right to enter us into a what might be interplanetary war with a species that's shown so much more restraint then we have ever even dreamt of. Because if we are firing on these things regularly kinetically, and they're showing tremendous restraint.

1:42:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're lucky we're not a cinder.

1:42:03 Speaker 2: We're lucky we're able to have this conversation, because if they wanted to, it sounds like at this point they could literally end us within minutes. All they really have to do is direct an asteroid from the bell right, send it our way.

1:42:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's probably a hundred different ways they could totally wipe.

1:42:22 Speaker 2: Us off the planet and do it cleanly.

1:42:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, all right, So I think we've gone through most of the basic data acount. I'll kind of add some more context to this too.

1:42:34 Speaker 2: So yeah, let's do that. Let's do that, and then we'll wrap up for tonight.

1:42:40 Speaker 3: Okay, So this is the location Camp Wilson on the left, and it's in southern California. One of the big debunks coming from like Mick West and other people is that there's this training village about seventeen miles away from Camp Wilson, that there's some foy photos being associated with this location, but that's really far away, that's you know, quite a jaunt away. Videos went over that pictures, some more pictures, pictures. There's also a night vision photo. Maybe there's video associated with that.

1:43:17 Speaker 3: More pictures. This is actually two photos that are transposed upon each other.

1:43:23 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, because I was gonna say, wait, that's double ducker all of a sudden.

1:43:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I actually sent those are the two that I sent you that someone tried to transpose them over each other. Actually, I should have changed this slide now that I have the originals.

1:43:39 Speaker 2: Basically, what it's it's showing is that it is changed.

1:43:48 Speaker 2: Wait it's yeah, it's nineteen seconds apart.

1:43:53 Speaker 7: Yeah.

1:43:53 Speaker 3: Well, this is actually kind of kind of deceptive in the sense because we had two photos and guy walked quite a distance between the two photos, and so what we might be seeing is a perspective change rather than it actually changing an orientation.

1:44:11 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, guys out there scaling, So can you go back to what it would look like in the daylight?

1:44:21 Speaker 3: Yes, let's see if I know how to go back. Yeah, here we go.

1:44:26 Speaker 2: So this is that same area but in the daytime.

1:44:30 Speaker 3: Yep.

1:44:31 Speaker 2: So, as you can see, guys, it's a very very

1:44:40 Speaker 2: secluded area. So I'm wondering, so this is again we just Our last guest on the show was Robert Sallas of the Malstrom Air Force Base incident. You know that everybody knows where a UFO shut off ten nuclear missiles. So this is some thing that, you know, is cause for me to ask, why these vehicles of of of non human origin? Uh, what are they doing over our bases?

1:45:14 Speaker 3: I think that they were trying to kind of observe. I think that what they were doing, like I'm kind of the belief that these these beings can actually, you know, telepathically touch in with people. So maybe they were kind of like seeing like how many of the humans down here, you know, are aware that we're ets are even here yet. Maybe they're just kind of kind of kind of get gathering some data on that. But that's just speculation.

1:45:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's all speculation right now until further notice. So let's go through some of your other And.

1:45:50 Speaker 3: There was a ton of mainstream media coverage of this. I think a lot of people forgot, like all of these different mainstream news outlets covered this story.

1:45:59 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:45:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Barol Yes, yep, bars, I'm from Boston, so barstools, uh, and I Heeart I Heeart covered it that those are two Boston companies. So interesting.

1:46:16 Speaker 3: So this was a big case when it first came out. Even though the you on Twitter and the UFO community, most of us just you know, said it was flares and moved on. The mainstream media really took this up because you listen to the audio. It's compelling, you know, for for the listener.

1:46:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I have a much different take on this now than I did before.

1:46:41 Speaker 3: This is kind of the Twitter response, you know, Mick West comes out, puts out, you know, he finds these videos of flares that look very similar.

1:46:51 Speaker 2: And like, well, let's I've had Mick. I've had Mick on the show. I've had John what John Greenwald. The only person I'll never have on the show is Steven green Street. I think he's trash. Yeah.

1:47:07 Speaker 3: No, I'm not exactly specifically criticizing these two because I think that they were these two guys kind of got caught up in a bigger cover up that they're not even aware of. And maybe because I've got a lot of for the Part two is all about my analysis and research by I think it was some sort of cover up or pre bunking operation, and that's going to take me a while to get through. So maybe you do you want to just wrap this part and just call it part one, and then maybe you have me back and talk about the the analysis or do you want to.

1:47:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. So I would like to do a whole show about the the part two that, Yeah, we can do that. I think that's a good idea because we are already at almost two hours. So okay,

1:48:00 Speaker 2: this is You've opened my eyes to this this case. I really did pass it over and I feel like an idiot. But like you said, this case, I don't think they timed it well. If they released this today or or like a week ago, I think this would have hit much different. I think, much much different, because right now the community is starving for something like like this and and a good case to dig into. So I think the timing that they dropped it on you know, I know they had weaponized and you know they wanted to use that platform to do all that stuff and give it a test run to see if it was a profitable podcast, which I think they deemed it was because it obviously was.

1:48:58 Speaker 2: But this this case, there's so much more to it than I thought, and the witness testimony I think I think goes even further than just to light the pictures and videos themselves.

1:49:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can just hear it in their voices that they're sincere. You know, they're not making I can just like they're not joking around, you can. You can hear it by the tone and everything. And I really I hope we can work together and try to get some of these witnesses on I love to hear from and maybe get some more witnesses.

1:49:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my new goal is to to to try to I am very intrigued and I want to know. I want to get I want more videos, I want more evidence. So if again, if by chance you are a witness or witnessed this and twenty nine BOMs on what day? Was it again?

1:50:03 Speaker 3: April twentieth? For twenty Oh my god, that's another thing. I think it was et I think they have a sense of humor too.

1:50:11 Speaker 2: Was it for twenty or for twenty one? For twenty okay, so for twenty twenty twenty one. Yes, if you were a part of that and you saw that craft, you have any footage or if you have any evidence or testimony that you'd like to give, definitely reach out. My email is always in the description of video. But Arthur, you've been really digging into this case. How can people get hold of you.

1:50:40 Speaker 3: Well, I'm on Twitter x ex caliber three three three on Twitter, and I also have a YouTube channel, a small YouTube channel, so it's Truth Coalition on YouTube. You can find me there and there's I put my email there too.

1:50:58 Speaker 2: Okay, right, subscribe and subscribe and and and and and follow them on x. I keep calling it Twitter. I don't think I can get used to it. Did you see the did you see what happened last night?

1:51:13 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you're talking about with the the Trump and uh oh the yeah, the Twitter space with Trump and yeah, but but the attack that took place on it, Yeah, the d D D O S attack the deep man?

1:51:32 Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows that? Although we know that the European Union and the White House both asked Elon or nudged Elon into, you know, making sure that the conversation state factual, so very interesting stuff.

1:51:54 Speaker 3: But they're afraid of bypassing mainstream media.

1:51:58 Speaker 6: You know.

1:51:59 Speaker 2: Well, I think, well what I said was, I think last night was a demonstration that legacy media has been fearing for a while, and that was they were completely cut out of the headlines last night, completely cut out, absolutely cut out. And last time I looked that was out twenty four million listens. That was this morning. I can't even imagine what it's at right now. By week's end, that'll be at one hundred million listens. That's more than CNN does and god knows how many shows. Now, legacy media is dying and we are pushing forward with this new virtual world of social media, and people are getting their news and not the news anymore.

1:52:53 Speaker 2: So you know, there is a discrepancy there. But this case, this, this case, but this The reason I'll bring it up is is you're very advocate about your your pro Trump stance.

1:53:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important that we try to mobilize a political movement behind UAP disclosure. I mean, I am on the right with you know, MAGA and Trump, but I'd also like to see, you know, people on the left do the same thing because really, if you look in history, all the major activism movements of whether it's civil rights, whether it's women's suffrage, they all organized and they all did it politically through a political party. So we need to, you know, we need to get our political parties and we need to you know, ask these you know, force them to do what we want.

1:53:40 Speaker 3: Because I think Congress is where this is going to start. We need more hearings. That's I think the most important thing. We get more hearings, more than the legislation, more than anything else. I think we need more hearings and then eventually the president needs to come out and say something.

1:53:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think more hearings. I've had Tim Burchett on the show. I think more imining there. I think they're they're they're imminent, and it's just right now is the political landscape. It's just not something that's gonna happen right now, but I think, uh, they're eyeing October if that's the last I heard.

1:54:23 Speaker 5: So.

1:54:24 Speaker 11: Uh.

1:54:24 Speaker 2: With that being said, thank you so much Arthur for joining the show tonight. Uh, this is this is really fun. I had a lot of fun.

1:54:32 Speaker 14: Uh.

1:54:32 Speaker 2: You got me really interested in this in this case, and I want to thank everyone out there. Uh. We're at almost three hundred live viewers, uh, least of which on YouTube, which pisses me off, but that's just because YouTube sucks.

1:54:50 Speaker 3: And I want to come back and give you all my research on the cover up aspect of it.

1:54:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I would saying. We'll bring you back for Part two. I think people want to hear more about this, and then we'll start seeking actual witnesses to this case. I'm gonna start doing that immediately, but I would like to hear from some people who actually saw this, and when we'll start talking about and we'll start talking about your your part two. So thank you for joining. For everyone out there, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and ring that bell for notifications when we go live.

1:55:24 Speaker 2: We're doing it once a week now, uh, and then the podcast will drop on the weekend, either Saturday or Sunday. It just depends whether you know what day I recorded. So with that being said, everyone will see you on the other side.

1:56:02 Speaker 14: Man two and two three

1:56:22 Speaker 3: Two two