Robert Salas: The Malmstrom AFB UFO that Shut down US Nukes.

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0:28 Speaker 2: I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this work. And yet I ask you, it's not an alien force already amongst.

0:39 Speaker 3: We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsolved by the military industrial contact potential, or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.

1:12 Speaker 4: Now I am becoming destroyer of world.

1:14 Speaker 2: In my association with Project Group, they definitely withheld information.

1:24 Speaker 5: Don't we have a look on the ANA.

1:26 Speaker 6: We're all going against the laun.

1:29 Speaker 3: You shall be twitter, We're firm.

1:31 Speaker 2: The testimony were about to give me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing the truth.

1:35 Speaker 7: So help you guy.

1:36 Speaker 3: Do you believe that our government is in possession and the agents?

1:38 Speaker 6: Absolutely?

1:46 Speaker 8: All right?

1:47 Speaker 4: Everybody, welcome back to total disclosure across all platforms, where we explore the mysteries of the unknown, from citings to conspiracy theories. We dive deep into the unexplained, instance in our skies and on the ground. If you're passionate about exploring the unknown and you're intrigued by the possibility of extra in terrestrial life, that you're in the right place. Let's get this intro just over with, right. I've never been more excited for a show in my life. One of the top people I've always wanted to talk to.

2:25 Speaker 4: Today I get the chance, and yeah, a little bit of nervous jitters, but that's okay. Today we're talking to Robert Sallas. Robert has an absolutely stellar, stellar career and as a graduate of the US Air Force Academy, he served seven years on active duty, worked as a weapons controller, flew target drones, commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles otherwise.

2:55 Speaker 8: Known as minute men, and in his time.

3:00 Speaker 4: He experienced one of the most notorious UFO incidents at any nuclear Air Force base. With that being said, let's welcome the man, the myth, the legend, Robert Salas. Robert, thank you again for being here today, and I'm so excited. I'm a little i haven't been nervous for a show in a while. I'm a little nervous.

3:26 Speaker 9: A little nerves are fine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Toleran, it's great to be with you. I love your excitement about this subject, and of course I'm eager to answer any questions you may have about my incident and other related topics that may come up happy to be here.

3:53 Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, well, I think one of the first things that we should get out of the way is who is Robert Sallas? Know what Robert Dallas?

4:04 Speaker 4: Before joining the military, you know what made you choose that career path, what motivated you and and why?

4:16 Speaker 9: Well, to be honest, uh, I was looking for ways to get into college and my parents didn't have the resources to send me to college. So I applied to my congressman to be considered for an appointment to one of the military academies, and and of course the Air Force Academy was uh my first choice. My uh some of my uh uh my uncles were in World War two, fund World War two. One it was in the Pacific, the other in uh in Europe, and uh so that was a motivation there to enter the service and get my college degree at the same time.

5:11 Speaker 4: So when going through that process, uh, you know, did you did you ever see yourself uh becoming the person with the hand on the key for the nuclear arsenal.

5:33 Speaker 9: No, honestly, that was not my one of my goals.

5:41 Speaker 9: Uh So that just happened, uh during circumstances and assignments that were offered at the time. Uh. So no, that was not an objective.

5:57 Speaker 4: So I would have to Now this is just me assuming you would have to be of not only the top caliber, but among the top caliber of the top caliber. As far as mentality constraint, uh, mental awareness, situational awareness?

6:22 Speaker 8: What what were the uh prerequisites for a role that you would eventually accept as a launch commander?

6:35 Speaker 2: Uh?

6:35 Speaker 9: Well, I know we were evaluated before selected for this kind of duty, but I don't know the details. I was not made aware how they made that evaluation.

6:51 Speaker 2: Uh.

6:51 Speaker 9: But so I really can't answer that question in detail. I simply don't know what criteria they is to select us for this sort of duty.

7:04 Speaker 8: So that's that's kind of not I don't know if it's troubling. I don't know.

7:12 Speaker 4: I don't think it would be troubling. But is it safe to say though, that you would need to be now, I mean, you would need to have scored a certain proficient you know, a certain score, have a certain background, and you know, be of sound mind to be in a position where you know you're essentially safeguarding the world at that point. I mean in the US is arguably you know, the biggest superpower, and you know we dictate essentially, what is you know, the global atmosphere. So to be in that position, I just I would assume that there would be more of a of a selection process.

8:02 Speaker 7: So you're as I said, I think there was a process to evaluate those of us that went into uh uh.

8:16 Speaker 9: This kind of work and had this kind of responsibility. But I simply don't know those details. Certainly, I would think we'd have to be reliable and a committed to our jobs. And but you know, I'm struggling here because I simply don't know the criteria here.

8:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, it's okay, Well, you know what, let's just breath. You know, it doesn't really even matter to the context. But all right, so you go through, right, you get the job. Can you describe your role and your responsibilities at Malstroam Air Force Base and subsequently on the night of March fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven.

9:07 Speaker 9: Okay, I'll correct you on that date. It was March twenty fourth.

9:13 Speaker 8: That must have been a typo on my part, my dad.

9:17 Speaker 9: But so we were broken up into two man crews and we were sent out to what is called launch control facilities where we had the ability to monitor and of course launch missiles if given the order correctly, and that was our duty to maintain, make sure the missiles were ready to launch, and then to launch given them proper orders. We would go out to what's called a launch control for FACIA, but then there was something called a launch control center, which was sixty feet underground. We would go down in the elevator and we would be we would relieve the crew on duty and then we're locked in for twenty four hours until we were relieved the next day.

10:21 Speaker 9: And this was we had a little cot down there, so we took breaks from time to time, take a rest break. On the evening of March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, I was in charge of the facility because my commander, whose name is Fred Mywald, he was later Colonel Mywald and he is now deceased. But on that evening he was taking a rest break and I was on duty in charge of the facility. So the first thing that happened was I get a call from my top side security guard. We had about six guards upstairs and they were used to of course monitor our particular facility, but they would also go out to the launch facilities where the missiles were actually located.

11:25 Speaker 9: The missiles were located approximately a mile or two away in a kind of a circle around this central point called the launch control center. Right, so, the main guard calls sometime in the evening hours. I can't tell you exact time. I don't recall other than that it was dark outside. Of course, we had no window into outside. We were sixty feet underground. We had no cameras up there at any rate. He reports that he's seeing strange lights in the sky, flying very fast, stopping on a dime, reversing course, making ninety degree turns.

12:18 Speaker 9: Things you've heard from other witnesses. But that's what he told me specifically, And he said he wanted to emphasize these are not airplanes, sir. I've never seen any airplane do with these lights are doing so and there was no engine noise, but it was these things were flying over our facility, and he just wanted to report it. I didn't quite know what to think. I may have mentioned, you mean like UFOs, because I think I did make that comment because we had had reports in the local great Falls Tribune newspaper.

13:05 Speaker 9: Great Falls, as were Monster Air Force Base is located about people reporting objects in the sky. So I was just joking, really, and his response was, well, all I can say is they're not aircraft. And I said, well, okay, well, thank you for your report, and we terminated the call. At that point, I didn't know what what else to do with it. I certainly wasn't going to report lights in the sky back to the base.

13:39 Speaker 8: So well, so when.

13:45 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, what was your initial reaction when the flight security controller, you know, reported those unusual lights in the sky. Did you think this was I mean, in your head you had to have questioned, you know, could this be adverse?

14:02 Speaker 8: Adverse?

14:04 Speaker 9: Yeah? I thought it was a strange call. You know, their job was to secure the facility and maintain security, and so I think he was trying to alert me to something that could happen because of these lights nearby,

14:26 Speaker 9: but we didn't have enough information at that point. Now he calls back within minutes, maybe five ten minutes later, and starts screaming into the phone. I couldn't make sense of what he was saying, but he was obviously frightened.

14:46 Speaker 9: When I finally got him to calm down, he said that he's got all the guards pointing their weapons at this object. It's a glowing reddish orange polt seating light that is hovering just above the front gate, and scared to death, obviously frightened, and he wanted me to tell him what to do next. Of course, I was dumbfounded. I didn't know what to think. I knew he was serious, this was a serious report, and by the way, they had no ability to control things up the top side. So I told him something like make sure the secure facility is secure, and then he jumped in and said that one of the guards was injured, he had to go, and he hung up the phone.

15:51 Speaker 9: So I went to wake Mike. The first thing I did, actually, to be honest, was to look over at the status board that we had on the status of the missiles. We could tell if they were operational by lights that showed their status, and they were all green at that time. I went over to wake up my commander who was taking that rest break, and started to tell them about those phone calls. Then all of a sudden, we get some bells and whistles going off in the capsule, and we both look at the board, and sure enough, one of the missiles just went what we call no go condition.

16:40 Speaker 9: The light went from green, which is operational to red, which is a no go condition. In other words, it could not be launched. And then very shortly after that, the rest of the missiles went down, and all this while this object was still up there. We went ahead and there were also a couple of the launch facilities where there was a potential incursion in the facility. In other words, we had indicator lights that told us if something or someone or something was trying to get into one of the launch facilities where the missiles were.

17:28 Speaker 9: We had to those facilities that indicated that. So we went through our checklist.

17:39 Speaker 9: My commander called the command post back at Great Falls or Mouse from Air Force Base, and I called upstairs to see what was going on up there and to report these incursion lights or indicators of potential incursion into two of the facilities, and ordered uh them to go out to those facilities. I asked about the object, uh the flight security controller, and he said had just flown off. Uh So, as I said, the object was above us at the time the missiles were disabled.

18:24 Speaker 8: Okay, so I have one I have I have a question now.

18:31 Speaker 4: After the second frantic phone call, I I I want to put I put a pin in two things that you said.

18:40 Speaker 8: One of the guards was injured.

18:43 Speaker 4: Now this is maybe inconsequential, but did you ever figure.

18:49 Speaker 8: Out what the injury was and was it related to what was happening?

18:54 Speaker 1: Yeah?

18:57 Speaker 9: Uh. The next day, after we were relieved, I went up and talked to the guard, the pledge security controller, he's the main guard, and asked him about the man who had been injured all right, either the next morning or on that call I just told you about. And he said that the injury was due had something to do with his rifle or he tried to climb the fence. I'm not uh sure about that, and he wasn't sure the but he did cut his hand. It was not from the object itself that the injury occurred. He cut his hand, and they thought that the gash was big enough that he needed stitches, et cetera.

19:58 Speaker 9: So they had to send him back to the base, and they did to do that.

20:04 Speaker 4: But could it be safe to say that he was trying to get a better vantage point.

20:12 Speaker 8: Of this object? Who?

20:16 Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what he was really doing? I guess we'd have to ask him about that. But the second thing, now, when.

20:24 Speaker 9: When by the way, Tyler, I got confirmation by letter from a man who was part of the security squadron,

20:41 Speaker 9: and he had heard at the barracks. You know, they all stated the same barracks, yep, that that this did happen. The man was injured, but he heard both possible abilities. He didn't talk to the man himself, he had just turned scuttle but back at the base that it was a cut on his hand, and it could have been from some mishandling of his rifle. Or we had barboi around the perimeter of the facility, so he might have cut his hand on that barboir. Now, other than that, I cannot provide any details. I have never been able to contact any of these individuals.

21:32 Speaker 9: They did call me the next day. I don't know how they got my home phone, but they one of them called me and and they were begging me to come talk to them, and I really wanted to talk to them, but I had to say no, I could not because I had already signed a non disclosure agreement at that time never to talk about the incident again to them or anyone else.

22:03 Speaker 4: And and that's something that you did for twenty seven years. But I want to go back. We'll get to that when and when you say the nuclear weapons or the icbm's minute, men went into.

22:23 Speaker 8: No A, no go. What does that exactly mean?

22:30 Speaker 4: And I know that these these weapons, they are not connected to each other, so it's it's almost like a safeguard, so that if one does go down, that the rest are not affected. So I guess their confusion lies in were these weapons rendered operation operationally unlaunchable or did they just go into like a standby.

23:05 Speaker 9: No, they were not in standby. I forgot to mention that one of the first things we did was check. We had something called VERSA. It was a voice activated system that would give us information on the status of the missile, and we were able to check each missile separately. But they were all this VERSA was all reading a guidance in control system failure. So all of them had been And to answer your question, no go simply means that they were unlaunchable. They said they were not operational, they could not be used.

23:50 Speaker 4: So if the president were to call right and Russia, you know, was messing around, You're saying that those weapons would not have been able to be.

24:06 Speaker 8: Utilized by our northern by our command.

24:12 Speaker 9: That's correct, okay, And.

24:16 Speaker 8: In your experience. Is there anything.

24:22 Speaker 4: Or any other situation prior to this day, the twenty fourth.

24:30 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I.

24:31 Speaker 4: Must have typoed that that this had ever happened before.

24:37 Speaker 9: Not to my knowledge at that point. However, as I mentioned, my commander called the wing command post to report our incident, and he was told that the same thing happened at another flight of missiles. Now, my commander told be this after he was finished with his call, and I thought at the time he met that evening, but in fact he was telling me about an incident that occurred eight days earlier, and that's called the Echo Flight incident. I was at Oscar Flight now, so we had the launch control facilities.

25:32 Speaker 9: We simply used letters of the alphabet to identify them, and they were basically cookie cutters of each other. You could hardly tell the difference between one or the other other than they were in different locations. But and I just wanted to make that point because later on I'll i'll mention why I was a little confused as to exactly where I was when I started researching this in earnest.

26:06 Speaker 4: Right, right, So, okay, so now we've established that because I have.

26:15 Speaker 8: That somewhere here that.

26:19 Speaker 4: OSA or or Special Investigation right.

26:26 Speaker 8: Had had put out I don't I don't know if it was after this incident.

26:34 Speaker 4: I don't have the date in front of me, but they'd put out essentially a memo saying that they were having incursions and it was specifically at our nuclear installations. So I'm just wondering if it was before or after.

26:54 Speaker 9: I'm not sure what document you're talking about. I've never seen any documents by a f O s I stating that they had incursions at nuclear facilities. If you've got such a document, I'd love to see it. I've never seen it.

27:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look into that one, because that is that because that that that was told to me my multiple multiple people, including Richard Dody of O s I.

27:25 Speaker 8: But again he is Rick Dody, and.

27:30 Speaker 4: You know, people see it both ways. But to go back to the incident, M.

27:41 Speaker 8: When what.

27:44 Speaker 4: I can't I can't imagine that there was a procedure in place for such an event. But what is there a procedure for a breach of a nuclear missile base?

28:00 Speaker 9: Okay, good question, I'll tell you what I think. Because of the circumstances. The next morning, after we were relieved by another crew. We were ordered to go to our squadron commander's office. There we met our squadron commander. I asked him if this was some sort of air force exercise. He said absolutely not. He was white as a sheet. He didn't know what had happened, but right away they had prepared a There was a man from AFOSI Air Force Office of Special Investigations in the office and they shoved the non disclosure statement in our faces and said sign here, h do you go ahead?

29:02 Speaker 4: I gotta ask you. Do you think that they do this? I mean you said it was the next day? Yes,

29:12 Speaker 4: do you think that there is a coordinated Now now I know we're kind of like skipping ahead, but do you think there is a coordinated effort by our government to not let these kind of incidents get out into the public. Because if you essentially admit that something can fly and turn off and on nuclear weapons es actually admitting that you're you're you're defenseless, you're prone, And the last thing a government wants to admit is that they can't protect their people, especially when it comes to this.

29:52 Speaker 4: So do you think that there's a coordinated effort to shut.

29:54 Speaker 8: You guys up.

29:56 Speaker 9: Absolutely no question.

29:59 Speaker 4: Okay, so OSI agents that showed up, do you recall any of their names?

30:06 Speaker 8: Do you recall any of them?

30:08 Speaker 9: No? Well, I asked for a copy of this NDA, and they wouldn't give me one, So I didn't even retain a copy. But I would think if government, if our government is serious about getting to the bottom of this particular incident, they could go to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations and asked for a copy of that NDA that I signed and other people have signed. Now, getting back to your question is to whether or not there was some procedure already established. I think there was because the Echo flight incident occurred on March sixteenth, and before that, the incident at mine Not Air Force Base in September of nineteen sixty six, which David Schindelli has testified to was a similar incident again UFOs overhead all ten missiles were shut down.

31:22 Speaker 9: So by March twenty fourth of sixty seven, I know at least two incidents that resulted in the same thing the Air Force and that's why they were prepared to deal with with my incident so quickly.

31:44 Speaker 4: That would be, like you said, so between mine Not and Malstrom. I mean, they did not want this to get out.

31:52 Speaker 8: So the NDA that they hit you with, Now, how long is that? Is that a lifetime? Bet so lifetime lifetime NBA? Yes, okay, okay?

32:08 Speaker 4: And why so why did you why after twenty seven years as you break.

32:14 Speaker 8: That that?

32:15 Speaker 9: Oh all right, let's go forward in time to nineteen ninety four. April of nineteen ninety four, I was in a bookstore in Seattle and happened to see a title that looked interesting. The title in the book was above Top Secret by Timothy Good. I picked the book up, opened it to page three hundred and one. Believe it or not, this is the truth. I just happened to open to the only page in the five hundred page book that talked about missiles being shut down at Melschrom Air Force Base in nineteen sixty six and in nineteen sixty seven.

33:08 Speaker 9: I was flabbergasted, but I was also excited because I thought, Wow, this is maybe the Air Force has declassified my incident, because this sounded a lawful lot like what I recalled I had experienced. Now again, this was some twenty seven years later, but of course that the memory of the incident itself had not faded, even though, well, I'll take that back, it faded, but I still remembered the fact that my missiles shut down during a UFO encounter. So let's go ahead.

34:02 Speaker 8: So, okay, I do. I'm gonna let.

34:06 Speaker 4: You finish that statement because I'm gonna bring I I do want to go back to the to the to the night that the missiles were disabled.

34:16 Speaker 9: Okay. So, like I said, I was very excited, and because it was in this book that was published, I jumped to the conclusion, literally jumped to the conclusion that the Air Force had declassified these incidents. So I went home and the first thing I did was to tell my wife, uh about my experience. Up to that point, I had not mentioned a word to her about it, of course, because I was following the requirement of my NDA.

35:08 Speaker 9: She happened to have a friend with her who was aware that there was a mof on organization mutual UFO network in Seattle and suggested I contact them. I did, and I asked for an investigator to help me submit a Freedom of Information Act request FOY request for more information about these incidents of my incident actually, which I thought was the Well anyway, I contacted a man by the name of James Klotz, and he agreed to help me submit FOY request, and actually he and a friend of his wrote up the request.

36:01 Speaker 9: I said, don't mention anything about UFOs. We don't want to spook the Air Force about that, So just mentioned the incidents that occurred in sixty seven. The actual article, I mean paragraph in the book said sixty six and sixty seven, so I specified sixty seven. The Air Force wrote back and said, you know this is classified. However, because the time has elapsed, we're going to declassify this incident. So they declassified what I referred to as the Echo Flight incident and started sending US documents.

36:53 Speaker 9: So when we received those documents, I I was so excited because I thought they had declassified the incident that I experienced. It turns out I was

37:11 Speaker 9: wrong about that. I was not an Echo flight, and it wasn't until two years later that I realized that was an OSCAR flight when I finally contacted my commander who was with me at the time, Fred Myrwald.

37:30 Speaker 8: Interesting, so at that point, at that point, I went public.

37:38 Speaker 9: I gave an interview to the Great Falls Tribune. They actually wrote up a front page article on it. I have a copy of that, and it was published on my birthday. Ah a coincidental in nineteen ninety six.

38:01 Speaker 8: Yeah, that was three years after I was born. Sir.

38:05 Speaker 9: Wow.

38:06 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.

38:07 Speaker 4: Just to put it into perspective for you, how long that you've been fighting this? Uh so all right, So I'm gonna bring you back because I did. I did skip a couple of things that I wanted to ask.

38:19 Speaker 8: So can you detail the sequence of event events that led to the alarms indicating that all ten or up to ten or twelve I believe it's been said, Uh minute, man, nuclear ICBMs were disabled? So what what does that look like when that starts to happen?

38:46 Speaker 9: Like I said, when we heard the first horn go off, I was about to tell my world, my commander, that we had had these phone calls. But before I could even talk about those phone calls, we get a blast. It sounds like a horn you'd hear at a basketball game, you know, at halftime. Yeah, right, So we immediately recognized there was something wrong with one of our missiles. We looked over at the board and we could see that one of the launch facilities had gone from a green status to a red status or a no go and then the other missiles followed suit very quickly, one at a time.

39:47 Speaker 9: They went from green to red, and we wound up with all ten missiles disabled. There were never twelve, there were always.

39:58 Speaker 8: So it's ten.

40:00 Speaker 4: It's okay, all right, because I've I've heard both numbers, and I've always wanted to know which one was the real.

40:07 Speaker 8: Which one was the real number. So ten, Thank you for that.

40:12 Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's going to be that that in itself, seeing seeing something like that, being a part of something like that. When the most powerful, the most destructive uh uh technology and weaponry starts to just you know, one by one, click click click, go into you know, unlaunchable mode. I mean, your heart's going to be beaten at a million miles per per second. So what's going through your head at that moment?

40:50 Speaker 9: We're both pretty amazed. None of us have ever seen anything like that before or after. Uh I was there for three years, so is my world. And of course we went on duty at the missile sites about every three days, and we'd never seen more than one missile go down for any reason. And by the way, this was not a power loss. We never lost power to the missile sites or to ourselves. And one of the reports that I received states from the Air Force investigation that was ongoing that was an external signal that caused the shutdown of Echo Flight.

41:50 Speaker 9: I'm going to say our incident was very, very similar to the Echo Flight incident.

41:59 Speaker 9: And uh, the investigations that were done stated that there was no power loss at any time.

42:08 Speaker 8: Hmm.

42:15 Speaker 4: So God, it's it's I mean, I I just I can't even put myself.

42:21 Speaker 8: In that position. Uh, I just so I after an event like this takes place, is it?

42:31 Speaker 9: Uh?

42:31 Speaker 8: And and I know someone brought it.

42:33 Speaker 4: Up in the thread from uh the other day, and I wanted to bring it up because we we talked about it on the phone.

42:46 Speaker 8: So there was a question.

42:50 Speaker 4: Uh so the about the official account? So uh, this is from you you said you wanted to address it, and and from Osyrus or Jeremy McGowan.

43:04 Speaker 9: Yes, so he.

43:06 Speaker 4: Is in the chat. So I figure if we wanted to do this, we could do it now.

43:12 Speaker 8: That's fine, okay. So essentially what he is saying is

43:21 Speaker 8: I want to find the.

43:24 Speaker 4: Correct So what is the official count of the alleged U HAVE incident?

43:30 Speaker 8: Yeah? God, good Robert god Well.

43:33 Speaker 9: I think one of the questions he had was how long were the missiles down? And at one point he wrote that they were down for some forty seconds and then they came back up. That's not true, and the reason is because a guidance in control system failure requires maintenance people to go out there and reset the entire guidance system, which means they have to make sure that the targeting is correct. You know where the missiles are being targeted for, and that the missile orientation is correct. And so it's a involved procedure which takes people to go out there and and manually go through the process.

44:28 Speaker 9: There's no automatic reset of the missiles. We can't just push a button and reset everything like you do on your laptop. So I hope that clarifies that point.

44:45 Speaker 4: And so these were not So what you're saying is these were These were down for much longer.

44:52 Speaker 8: Now, how how long were these down?

44:56 Speaker 9: Well, of course we were relieved the next morning. When we were relieved all our missiles were still down. We had we did have, as I recall, UH maintenance people on the sites at that time, but the process was ongoing and it probably took a day there, so to get all the missiles back up on alert status.

45:24 Speaker 8: So they had to take this these this whole system apart, piece by piece, is what you're saying.

45:32 Speaker 9: No, No, there was no taking anything apart. And by the way, there was no damage to any of the missile equipment. Uh, it was simply Ah, I'll tell you what Boeing discovered. Boying had their own investigative team and they had taken a part called logic coupler to do a bench test, not on one of our missiles, but you know, a part they had back back at Boeing in Seattle, and they did a bench test and were able to have an intermittent fault signal injected, a signal injected at a particular voltage for a particular time.

46:29 Speaker 9: It was microseconds or milliseconds that resulted in this logic coupler

46:40 Speaker 9: flipping off or going offline, and that they consider may have caused the missiles to shut down, but in order. But it was an external signal, not an internal glitch or internal signal. So in order for that to happen, these objects, these UAPs would have had to send a signal through sixty feet of earth and concrete penetrate triply shielded cable systems one at a time, very quickly. They would go to this particular piece of hardware called the logic coupler, and that could have caused the guidance system to go offline intermittently and and result in the Nogo condition.

47:43 Speaker 8: Okay, okay, So how did the commanding officer.

47:55 Speaker 4: I believe it was first Lieutenant is it Frederick Frederick Mywald, my Wald, thank you, thank you? How did he respond to the unfolding of this whole situation when you woke him up?

48:11 Speaker 9: Uh? Well, you know, we were well trained, let's say, to react for any uh situations such as a missile going down in other words, getting a no go indication.

48:30 Speaker 8: Uh.

48:31 Speaker 9: We had trained for that, and so we were reacting professionally. I would say, Uh, we knew exactly what we had to do, and we had a checklist to do to go through and so there was no throwing up of hands or emotional upbursion like that.

48:56 Speaker 8: So there was no panic. But but top side, well.

49:06 Speaker 9: The top nick guards. You have to understand, they were standing there with their weapons drawn and looking at uh a red, orange glowing pulsating object. They didn't know what to expect from that. No one had ever seen anything like that before. They could have been, you know, blown to smithereens by some weapon that had who knows, but I can I can certainly understand why they would have been frightened.

49:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, like this absolutely so and and and so I feel like there was different different atmospheres below ground and above ground. Yes, and and and obviously you know you're, like you said, you have to take an elevator sixty.

49:56 Speaker 8: Stories down and you know if you're sixty.

50:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, sixty feet down, and you know you're there till till your relief comes. So the next day when when when you came up, and I know you said you didn't get to talk to many of the people, But in the time that is now since past, have you been able to reconnect with any of them and and kind of get a better better gauge on on on what the atmosphere was top side when the when the event was actually occurring.

50:39 Speaker 9: No, I'd never you know, I've tried to locate, uh uh some of them, but I've never been able to make contact with any of them. Uh. One of the Air Force techniques of keeping secrets like this is to disperse the way this is. And I'm sure a lot of these guys were dispersed to different assignments. They were all weapons trained, so since we had Vietnam going on at the time, there were many of them probably were sent to Vietnam.

51:16 Speaker 8: Right and then.

51:17 Speaker 4: And this is that is I'm so glad you brought that point up, because that's something that we don't It's not just Malmstrom that is evident of this, it's Ellsworth, an event that would take place some ten years later. They would do the same thing with Mario Woods the day after him and his partner who experienced the UFO. They shipped them off to different bases, to different assignments. And I can imagine that, like you said, this is a way of kind of separating everyone so that they no one can get a hear a picture of what actually took place.

52:03 Speaker 9: All right, And they wanted to stop any rumors of you know, progressing through the through the base about what had happened, right.

52:15 Speaker 4: And I mean were there rumors, yes, So I mean even though you did sign an NDA, people knew something happened, I mean went into no go. So it's safe to say that that's something that people would be aware of on a base that houses these kinds of things. So you know, did you did you get ridiculed or did you get looked at?

52:49 Speaker 8: No.

52:50 Speaker 9: We, of course, we couldn't talk to anybody about this, and nobody talked to us about it. In fact, I want to at that point too that even though our crews were briefed every time they went out on alert about the status of missiles, any problems in the field, you know, technical issues, et cetera, in the two years that I was there after the incident, I never heard any discussion about any of these two incidents, Echo or Oscar incident. The reason I mentioned rumors is because it was in one of the official documents that we received.

53:39 Speaker 9: It actually stated rumors of UFO around the time of the Echo flight shutdown were disproven. Now I don't know how they went about disproving a rumor. I actually wrote to the author of that document. It's called the Quarterly Report from the Wing to SEC Headquarters Strategic are Command Headquarters. We were required to write a quarterly review, and that man we wrote to him, the author of that report for this time period, asked him about this statement about rumors or UFOs and he said he never interviewed anybody that was indicating any rumors of UFOs.

54:38 Speaker 9: And he said there were times when you know, his commanders would change what he had written, and those times were the UFO history of the wing and those were his words, and some kind of morale problem. And the fighter squad We had a fighter squadron UH assigned a Malvestrom at the time.

55:07 Speaker 9: So basically he had indicated that there had been other UFO incidents at Malstrom.

55:17 Speaker 8: And I think the there's a there's there's overwhelming and and and it's and if you were finding that out then about previous then.

55:31 Speaker 4: Anything that came out the evidence that I've come across that happened two and regarding Malmstrom since UH, it just seems like it's it's a it's a real hot spot for for for UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomena.

55:51 Speaker 8: U had p S. What can I I would ask you a personal question in a way.

56:00 Speaker 4: At first, you said, you know that initial phone call you took, you can't. I don't want to say you were dismissive, but let let's just say that was your your your left brain or right brain, whichever the one is, is the one that thinks logic about logic, It was a one yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, because left these are the only ones in their right mind.

56:34 Speaker 8: Yes, that makes sense.

56:36 Speaker 4: Yes, So it's after that the second phone call comes in. He's more panicked than the missiles. They start shutting off.

56:49 Speaker 4: I know you didn't see the ufhoe, But before this incident, before March twenty fourth, did you believe UFOs existed?

57:04 Speaker 9: You know, I had no opinion one way or the other. I had read the reports in the newspaper, like I said, and when we started researching this in earnest, I received copies of many days of reports of lights in the sky reported by farmers, ordinary citizens, et cetera. So I

57:33 Speaker 9: really didn't pay much attention to that. I was not interested in the subject per se. So that's about the best I can tell you. I was not focused on UFOs.

57:47 Speaker 8: So it's not like.

57:50 Speaker 4: Because a lot of people think that people make up these stories, you know, they're prone to fantasy.

58:00 Speaker 8: That kind of stuff.

58:01 Speaker 4: But it seems like number one, we can discount that by you having the job that you had, you would need to be of sound mind and so many other things.

58:15 Speaker 8: That that that would be out of the question.

58:18 Speaker 4: So your credibility is among what I would consider the top of the top in terms of like I said, in terms of credibility just in who you are. So

58:33 Speaker 4: but you also really didn't have an opinion nor care about the UFO issue prior. When did you become a believer? Well, that evening, that's what I was hoping.

58:54 Speaker 8: That's what I was hoping.

58:57 Speaker 9: You know again that evening the next day and onward. You know, I looked this guy in the face. When I went back upstairs the next day, I was relieved, we were relieved by another crew.

59:15 Speaker 2: Uh.

59:16 Speaker 9: I had to really force him to talk to me because they had already been told not to talk to anyone about what they had experienced. I think he never said that, but that's that was the impression I got. But I looked at this guy in the face, and you know, when you when you want to get the truth out of somebody, you look him in the eyes, and and you know when people are lying to you or telling the truth. But that was no question that what had happened top side. And like I said, I got confirmation about the injury later on in writing.

1:00:00 Speaker 9: But

1:00:03 Speaker 9: so I was a believer, then no question about it. And very interested, very curious as to just what had occurred.

1:00:16 Speaker 9: I confirmed that it was not an Air Force exercise with my commander, who was an old World War Two pilot through B seventeen's and I trusted implicitly. So it was difficult for me, i have to say, to keep that secret for twenty seven years, but I was able to do it, and very relieved and very eager to research this further after I thought the Air Force had declassified my incident. Now let me go back into that just a little bit. The reason that story was in above top secret is because a man by the name of Ray Fowler.

1:01:09 Speaker 8: Oh I know him, okay.

1:01:12 Speaker 9: So he happened to be working for Sylvania at the time on an electrical contract for the minute Man system, and he had people working for him at Malson Air Force Base who reported to him that the these UFO incidents did in were involved in the missile shutdowns. And Ray Fowler in turn reported to what was ongoing at the time, the Condon investigation, Yeah, the Condon report, Yeah, And that was ongoing at that time. It started in sixty six and ended in sixty eight. And so the I've got all this written up in my recent book.

1:02:13 Speaker 9: Anyway, I've got all these details written up in books I.

1:02:20 Speaker 4: Have written, But yeah, I have all of so for anyone watching or listening in the future, all of the links for Robert are below in the description, So if you want to read any of his work or follow up with it, I have all of his links below.

1:02:42 Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got a YouTube channel under Bob Solace or Giant had three And I've also got a website called Spiral Galaxy dot or or g where you can link to a lot of the recordings. I've got recordings when I spoke with my commander and also the man who commanded the Echo flight at the time of his incident. And I've got copies of some of the documents I received from the Air Force. But anyway, the Air Force was anxious, very anxious about getting a clean bill of health from the content investigators so that they could get out of reporting UFO incidents to the public and having to explain to the public exactly what this was all about.

1:03:50 Speaker 9: And so they've been over backwards. In fact, they lied to each other officially, and I've got that documented work.

1:04:00 Speaker 4: It was a travesty, I mean, it was a joke in itself. It's almost it's almost laughable to suggest that that that that that I don't we don't have to go there.

1:04:14 Speaker 6: Right now, but we will get there, Uh when we talk about Aaron and and your how your submission. But we'll stay here for now. But I want to finish your statement.

1:04:36 Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wanted to mention that Follower reported what he knew. He gave him phone numbers and names, et cetera to the Condon investigator. The kind of investigator went to Malstrom to check on on what Follower had told him, uh, and got, you know, stonewalled. And so the two incidents I'm talking about Echo and Oscar Malstrom in sixty seven were never included in any way in the final Condon report. When Followers saw that published report, he was livid. He was angry, angry enough to risk his job to give an interview to the Christian Science Monitor.

1:05:31 Speaker 9: And I think it was seventy three, if I'm not mistaken at any rate, the Christian Science Monitor published Follower's statements about the incidents, and that is what resulted in those reports getting into

1:05:55 Speaker 9: above Timothy Goods book Above Top Secret. That's how it got published. And so when I thought when I assumed that the Air Force had declassified it, I was incorrect. The Air Force had to declassified it even though it was published in this book.

1:06:15 Speaker 8: But did you do your due diligence? Did you? Then? You know, go, I don't know when.

1:06:26 Speaker 9: My due diligence was to write to the Air Force and under the Freedom of Information Act requests documents about the incidents that were published in this book.

1:06:39 Speaker 8: That's right, Okay, Okay, that's right.

1:06:42 Speaker 9: And the Air Force wrote back said this was classified. However they were they were now going to declassify that incident and send me documents which they have.

1:06:56 Speaker 8: Okay, if you could send me those documents, I love them.

1:07:01 Speaker 9: Well, there are a lot of documents. You can see many of them as an appendix to my book Faded Giant, which is available on Amazon linked below. Okay, but uh yeah, so most of those documents are in there, if not all important, the important ones are in there out Okay.

1:07:29 Speaker 4: So, so you you're you're now you you you're you're, you're a.

1:07:37 Speaker 8: Believer in the UFO phenomenon.

1:07:41 Speaker 4: So I want to I want to make sure that we get to everything tonight or today. But I just really go back one more time two the night in question, and that is to say, uh, I'm sorry, I just I just had like.

1:08:05 Speaker 8: A a a complete funk. So after.

1:08:16 Speaker 9: It's called a brain fart.

1:08:18 Speaker 4: Yes, that's yeah, I'm going through it right now, so.

1:08:27 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and it's live. So I got to cut this out of the edited, edited version.

1:08:32 Speaker 4: Uh so, the so just to be clear, what were the findings of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations And they instructed you to handle it by obviously signing the n d A.

1:08:49 Speaker 8: But uh you're saying that their official position was that this never happened.

1:08:58 Speaker 9: Uh No. I walked into my squad commander's office, I was handed this NDA document is signed by the man who was there from a f O s I. He introduced himself as Captain SO and so from a FO s I. We wanted to discuss what had happened with them. We thought that that's why they invited us in. But

1:09:29 Speaker 9: it seemed like they didn't necessarily want to talk about it. So the a f O s I didn't take a position on what had happened. They simply said, we specifically mentioned the fact that you cannot speak about this to anyone ever. Sign here and that that was about That's about the way the com conversation went. So they never gave me any kind of bottom line about this incident other than you, my commander, telling me it was not an Air Force exercise.

1:10:14 Speaker 8: And okay, oh my god, thank you, thank.

1:10:17 Speaker 4: You, you you you.

1:10:20 Speaker 8: Unclouded my brain. Robert.

1:10:24 Speaker 4: So, I've talked to so many military uh with witnesses from two thousand and four, the USS Nimics incident, on so many other other military personnel than on this show. Now, if there's one thing that I've learned in that time is, especially with the Navy, if they are performing exercises, the number one.

1:11:05 Speaker 8: Rule is safety.

1:11:08 Speaker 4: Now, can you one one hundred percent say with certainty this was not a test by some sort of US intelligence or the US government or the US military on its own strategic basis to test your reaction.

1:11:37 Speaker 9: Well, let me answer that in a couple of ways. One of the first documents we received was a telegram from Strategic Air Command Headquarters announcing that the Echo flight incident occurred on March sixteenth, and they admitted that they had no idea why this had happened. It's in the telegram and the fact that they didn't know. What had happened was of grave concern. That's the words on the telegram, grave concern to this command. If it had been an air force exercise, it would have so stated. Again, my commander confirmed that it was not any kind of an air force exercise.

1:12:31 Speaker 9: I mean, we're talking about operational weapons. You mentioned the fact that these could not once they were disabled, could not be used if given the order, you know, to launch missiles. So is general policy for our military not to uh, you know, disable their capabilities of response to a potential attack by disabling their own, you know, their own weapons. So that's about the best I can say is with regard to why I'm convinced that, no, it was not any kind of an exercise. This was a real event. We were not notified before or after that it was some sort of an exercise.

1:13:32 Speaker 4: So again, just to reassure that notion, this was not some sort of clandestine operation that that was was operated on on you guys as a test, and I don't I never thought it was anyway, for all the reason you mentioned, right, taking your own nuclear missiles offline doesn't seem like a smart move, even if testing. So it just never added up for as a theory, but some have proposed it, and I think it's kind of irrational

1:14:13 Speaker 4: because I mean, I'm sure you know about the incident that happened in Russia where kind of the opposite happened, where they turned the weapons on instead of disabling them, they enabled them and put them into a ready like launch mode.

1:14:36 Speaker 9: That's right, Yeah, that's correct.

1:14:38 Speaker 8: So if I was you.

1:14:46 Speaker 4: And I was in Russia, or if I was at any of these nuclear bases where anything like this happened, the thought that would cross my mind is.

1:15:02 Speaker 9: They're not.

1:15:05 Speaker 8: They're not showing hostility in the sense of forceful nature. They must be sending a message, Robert, what is that message?

1:15:18 Speaker 9: Very simply, you humans are being very foolish by having these weapons that could literally destroy, if you know, went to World War three and launched them against each other,

1:15:37 Speaker 9: literally destroy every living thing on this planet. And I don't think anybody would disagree that we've got a multitude of very precious living things on this planet, the least of all humans. So yeah, I think it was a message to us to abolish nuclear weapons. And that's what I've been promoting, you know, all of my books, and you know I'm not saying that the US should abolish their weapons in laterally, it's that we can do it together as a process, and that process has been initiated in the past.

1:16:29 Speaker 9: I know that during the Obama administration, we signed a treaty what was it called that salt was anyway, we did sign a treaty with Russia to reduce the number of operational weapons and also work towards the abolishment of nuclear weapons. Yes, and the United Nations has also made a declaration very similar to that. But now with the conditions UH with Russia and the US UH, Russia is now no longer following that that.

1:17:20 Speaker 8: Treaty and the current geopolitical landscape is honestly it's terrifying, you know, from Russia and Ukraine down to UH, Israel and Hamas that war.

1:17:39 Speaker 9: There.

1:17:40 Speaker 4: There's there's just a lot going on right now and it just feels very tense and that we're one miscalculation, one misunderstanding, one bad reaction away from complete annihilation.

1:18:06 Speaker 9: Well, it's a very dangerous situation. We find ourselves in Iran, as you know, is threatening to attack Israel and in retaliation,

1:18:21 Speaker 9: and Iran has the capability of obtaining nuclear weapons. Very quickly. They have worked on en whiching their uranium. Uh, and have a certain amount of weapons grade enriched. Yeah. And now,

1:18:52 Speaker 9: and of course Israel is a nuclear power. They have nuclear weapons, although it hasn't been announced officially, but analysis I've seen for a long state that Israel does have nuclear weapons. And of course NATO has tactical nuclear weapons, where Russia has both tactical and strategic and they have threatened to use tactical to war in Ukraine. India and Pakistan are at war with each other over Kashmir, and they are both nuclear powers and could use nukes at any time. So once nukes are used again, you know, we were the last to use them during World War Two.

1:19:45 Speaker 9: But once these so called tactical or small nukes are used in any kind of a conflict, I think there would be a quick escalation of more countries wanting to obtain nuclear weapons.

1:20:00 Speaker 4: Well, well, don't you don't we have a use them or lose them policy?

1:20:11 Speaker 9: I'm sorry I say that again.

1:20:13 Speaker 8: Uh? Is it?

1:20:14 Speaker 4: It's my understanding that the United States has used them or lose them type of policy, in which not they would not just launch one weapon, they would launch all of them.

1:20:34 Speaker 9: Well, I don't know. I've never read a policy like that. What the policy I have read is it's called the Nuclear Posture Review. The last one that was done was I think twenty twenty two. But it is the nuclear deterrence or having a preponderance of nuclear weapons over our enemy, which in this case is Russia, is a baseline or absolute necessity for our policy of nuclear deterrence. And that's what we've established at this point. In other words, that is the basis of our national security. And now, first if you may be talking about first use, that's a very fuzzy issue, and that is if the US or Russia, Russia has the same kind of policy, thinks that we are about to be attacked with nuclear weapons, then we have the policy that we could launch to preclude such an attack.

1:22:10 Speaker 8: So that's like a preactive launch.

1:22:13 Speaker 9: A preaptive launch. Yeah, that's first use policy. Now, there's a lot of internal things that have to happen, but

1:22:28 Speaker 9: these are, like I said, they're kind of fuzzy policies, which goes back to your point earlier, that is that we could have a third World war by accident, similar to other wars that we've been engaged in. Misunderstandings or some incident that happened accidentally, et cetera.

1:22:57 Speaker 8: It really terrifies me.

1:23:00 Speaker 9: It is a terrifying situation. And that's why we should work hard. We should all work hard towards this abolishment of nuclear weapons, which we can do if we if we put our minds to it.

1:23:13 Speaker 8: I I truly do think that one day we will get there. I have hope for this this, I have hope for humanity. Now, a lot of people asked me behind the scenes, so there's something, there's something known as the hitchhiker effect. Now, I I'm not I'm not too privy on your experiences, and so this is new territory for me. But have you had any encounters with the phenomena? And I say phenomena because I do think we're dealing with multiple phenomena, not just a singular phenomenon. But have you had any experience with the phenomena after the incident at Malstrop?

1:24:14 Speaker 9: Yes?

1:24:15 Speaker 8: Okay, would you care to elaborate?

1:24:19 Speaker 9: Sure? I have actually written about this in two of my books, very briefly in nineteen eighty five, so this was some time after my incident, but prior to my going public on the mounsterm incidents. In nineteen eighty five, I was living in a particular house in the South Bay area of California here, and one evening I woke up. I was sleeping, of course, in the middle of the night. I woke up and noticed a blue light emanating from our living room. I woke my wife up, and this is my version. She's got a slightly different version.

1:25:14 Speaker 9: But I woke my wife up and asked her if she saw this blue light coming from our living room, which was strange because we know we knew we didn't have any blue lights in the house, and she acknowledged seeing this blue light, and I said, well, I'm gonna have to get up and investigate. We might have someone in the house. And of course, at that time, we had two small children living with us our home. I started to get up and couldn't because I became paralyzed. And I know people talk about sleep paralysis, but this wasn't.

1:26:01 Speaker 9: I recall fighting, fighting, fighting very hard to retrieve some ability to move my legs, my arms, et cetera. But I was having a very difficult time. I turned to ask my wife for help, and at this point she was unconscious, which is unusual because I had we had just agreed that there may be someone had broken into our house.

1:26:34 Speaker 8: So that's not something you just fall asleep over.

1:26:39 Speaker 9: No, no, my God, like I said, we had two small children also.

1:26:46 Speaker 4: And right right, and that that also tells me that this is not sleep proalysis, because you were able to wake her up and to move, and then all of a sudden you became restrained.

1:27:04 Speaker 9: Yes, So I was fighting this paralysis when I saw some one just in the doorway of our bedroom, and it had a hood on, so it had a dark hood.

1:27:31 Speaker 9: I could not make or I don't recall what the face looked like, or I couldn't make it out, or it was too dark. But of course that was frightening. And and then I started to relax a little bit. But then I not felt or sensed that there were other beings in the room, and these were small beings. I thought they were chill, childlike or children. But at that point I was lifted off the bed and I was floating towards a closed window that we had in the bedroom, and I thought, well, these are small, too small children.

1:28:22 Speaker 9: They I don't think they'll be able to reach the latch and open the window. But they didn't bother with that. They just took me right through the window. I know that sounds a little ridiculous, but this is what I recall. I've had four hypnotic regression sessions to recover these memories. But I went right through that window. There was no broken glass or anything.

1:28:56 Speaker 8: I've had so many people on this podcast that have said things, and that is that that's actually a very common theme. Is now my theory on this is, do you think that you could have been abducted astrally, so more or less your body remained in the in the position it was, but they took your astral form instead, and that's why you're able to pass your walls.

1:29:33 Speaker 9: Well, I don't again with my left brain here, I don't understand what astral means. So etheric body or a light body, you know, these are terms I've heard. I believe we all have souls, et cetera, but I can't explain how this happened.

1:29:55 Speaker 4: Okay, So basically what I'm saying is they abducted your soul, okay, and they took your essence from your body, so you remain you right, and that's how you're But but that's just my theory on how some of this induction might work if you know. But but I'm sorry, continue your your amazing.

1:30:22 Speaker 9: Well, let's just say it was a very strange experience.

1:30:26 Speaker 8: Yeah.

1:30:28 Speaker 9: So the next thing I recall, or was able to recall, was being on this like an operating room table and being shown a long needle. I actually recall them holding or one of them, ah, holding this long needle. By long, I mean at least over a foot low. But they were holding this with long things and put it right in front of my eyes and communicated to me telepathically they were going to insert this needle into my growing area, but it wouldn't hurt. But when they started the procedure, it was extremely painful, and I never experienced that kind of pain in my life until then.

1:31:31 Speaker 9: So I communicated that to them, and the pain went away almost instantly,

1:31:41 Speaker 9: and so they continued whatever procedure they were doing. When they were finished, they sat me up on this table, escorted by two I guess you call them gray beans, although I don't remember exactly what they looked like, but there were two beings on either side of me, and I was floated over to a molded seating that they had molded inside the craft and sat there for a little while. I was taken to another cubicle then and

1:32:26 Speaker 9: the being there turned me around, poked two fingers down my spine, and then turned me back around. I was escorted out again, two beings on either side along a curve hallway, bright light, and I was back in my bed. Now. The next morning, neither my wife nor I recalled that that incident. The evening before, we didn't talk about it. I didn't say anything. Fast forward another twenty five later years at least, we were at a conference in Ireland and they had an experiencer up there talking about her experience, and she happened to mention a blue light engulfed her in her room, and that set something off.

1:33:36 Speaker 9: I turned to my wife, who was sitting next to me, I said, do you remember a blue light in our bedroom a long time ago? And she said, yes, yes I do, And that confirmed for me that this incident was real

1:33:57 Speaker 9: and that evening actually Mary Rodwell have to be speaking there. I don't know if you've heard of her.

1:34:04 Speaker 4: I've been trying to get her on the show for some time, but yeah, Mary, so Mary did was did she do your regression?

1:34:16 Speaker 9: She did the first regression. Oh, and I've heard two others. I've had two other regressions by Von Smith and another one by the name escapes me right now, but another individual. So, like I said, I've had four regression sessions, and.

1:34:43 Speaker 8: In all of them, in all the sessions, when you go back to the craft, is there is there any correlation between what happened at Malmstrom and why you are being taken from your bed.

1:35:08 Speaker 9: Well, again, there's probably many things I don't recall if I had any other interactions with the beings at the time, so I can't say for sure there's a direct connection. However,

1:35:28 Speaker 9: I've been speaking about this and committed to researching my incident for over thirty years, and I've even though I'm technically in violation of my NDA, I've been speaking about this openly all that time, and so I think I'm I've been, let's say, chosen to talk about this and give the message to the public about the nuclear weapons dangers and risks as a result of the incident I experienced, and there have been many, many, many others similar incidents at nuclear weapons bases and nuclear power plants.

1:36:24 Speaker 8: Yeah, it doesn't just for anyone listening. I want to get this very I want to cap off what Robert just said. This is not just our nuclear weapons facilities. This is also our nuclear power plants and anything nuclear related. So the ets or beings, any childe.

1:36:56 Speaker 4: Whatever you want to call it, Robert, there's some clear,

1:37:01 Speaker 4: clear correlation that we.

1:37:04 Speaker 8: Can draw and define. They have a clear.

1:37:15 Speaker 4: Vested interest in do you think this planet or is it more humanity?

1:37:26 Speaker 9: Well, a good question. I think it's both. I think they're interested in our evolution. I think they want to see us take the action to eliminate our nuclear weapons on our own. I don't think they want to interfere with what we're doing per se. However, they may have helped us along at times. Who knows a lot of questions.

1:38:02 Speaker 8: A lot a lot of questions, right, a lot and and so the so with the malves shouldn't.

1:38:15 Speaker 4: Uh case, it's it's it's so easy to default, right and to to correlate the lesson.

1:38:23 Speaker 8: Right, what is the lesson? It is shut down the nuclear weapons right because at any moment we can and we will. Right.

1:38:34 Speaker 4: It's like taking the the the matches from a baby, but then giving them back and saying, you know, be you know, be responsible, you know, you know you need to do this yourself. But just in case, Uh, you know, we are here, uh, and we are watching. And no matter what, no matter how powerful you think you are, yeah, you you pale in comparison.

1:39:04 Speaker 8: But what is the lesson from your abduction?

1:39:11 Speaker 9: Well that was kind of a more of a confirmation, ah uh that they are here. Also, the other lesson is they have objectives relative to us, and one of the objectives appears to be producing hybrids. For what reason is another big question, uh, but many experiences have talked about the fact that they are producing hybrids between themselves and humans. Another potential lesson is that they were here a long time ago and may have uh been involved in our evolutionary process for a long long time right.

1:40:17 Speaker 5: Right the the the they could be the missing link if you will, you know, it's it's I think.

1:40:28 Speaker 8: And why do you think? So you've given you gave testimony to ARROW, Am I am I correct? How How long was that? How did you deliver? So for anyone who didn't doesn't know, the ARROW office is it's set up and it's the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Offense.

1:40:54 Speaker 9: Uh.

1:40:55 Speaker 4: This is uh basically the Pentagon's away of sufficing the public's demand on UFOs. UH lately, you know, I've had timber Chet on the show, Danny she and Steve Bassett, all these people are involved in on that side of the things.

1:41:16 Speaker 9: Uh.

1:41:16 Speaker 8: But uh, how.

1:41:20 Speaker 9: Did you do it? Yeah? Before I get to that, just let me mention that in a recent newsletter from Danny shean UH representative Luna has stated that they want to have another hearing in the September October time frame. And so I don't know if you knew that your audience might be interested in keeping an eye out for that.

1:41:54 Speaker 8: Yes, I have.

1:41:57 Speaker 9: Not received my invitation to be a witness, but hopeful, still hopeful.

1:42:03 Speaker 4: Well if you're, if you're, if you do so, why that that's my whole thing is you know, with with this whole arrow process, and you know the ability to kind of come away from the n d A s and the securitios because I get it.

1:42:21 Speaker 8: Listen, you come from.

1:42:22 Speaker 4: A time where patriotism was a thing, right, you know, you know, pride for your nation, pride for your job, prideful to be an American.

1:42:34 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:42:35 Speaker 4: I think lately we're having UH an identity crisis.

1:42:39 Speaker 8: If you will ultimately, but I think we'll see the.

1:42:46 Speaker 4: Other side of this, but that back then, it was a different era. And I believe that's why you were able to keep your oath for so long, is because you were, you know, committed to country and and you know you're a man of your word. You signed the document. But there's twenty seven years, I mean, and no progress made, no effort that had to piss you off in some way. So I can see why you came forward.

1:43:24 Speaker 9: Well, I came forward. I'm committed to speaking out. I have been, like I said, for over thirty years. So in February of twenty twenty three, I was contacted by Errow and asked to give a presentation, which I did. I think it was the fifteenth of February of twenty twenty three. I was contacted by Errow telephone contact. I gave the presentation. It was over two hours, two hours plus. I had prepared PowerPoint presentation and I had prepared twenty two documents supporting the facts of my incident and the Echo incident.

1:44:22 Speaker 9: And when I was finished, I had one question for them. Would they check with the Air Force and confirm that these incidents did in fact occur? And they were UFO incidents, and I got the run around. They said, well, they tried on other cases but were not successful. Blah blah blah. It seems like there's even though AERO professes to have cooperation from other agencies, it seems like they're not getting that cooperation. And that may be one of the themes of this next hearing that Congress wants to see some progress made in getting more information out there.

1:45:20 Speaker 9: But I did receive letters from Aero after the fact stating that I had done a great job in my presentation and that it is now an official historical record, one of their records, which to me says that basically anyone in Congress can get access to all of my evidence, all of this testimony and the facts as they occurred, as I recalled them, and as I have research. So I thought that was a pretty significant acknowledgment by Errow. They even commented me to me how well I did with this, and even called me a patriot.

1:46:19 Speaker 4: Well, you are a patriot, I mean, there's no doubt about that, my friend. But with I mean, ultimately, I just I don't know how much Arrow is going to be able to deliver. But that's beside the point. Do you think that we'll ever truly get a disclosure?

1:46:46 Speaker 9: Let me just say I'm hopeful. Yeah, because we still have people in Congress that are very motivated to try and get some answers. If they continue to have the courage to invite UH witnesses UH two hearings, open hearings, and keep informing the public publicly with these hearings from these witnesses, I think that will go a long way to starting to crank open some of some of these secrets.

1:47:35 Speaker 8: Yeah, I really do, I really, really really hope.

1:47:38 Speaker 4: So, and I know Tim Burchett, you know uh Anna, Pauline A, Luna, Matt Yeates, even AOC all these people and.

1:47:50 Speaker 8: This is the only issue that seems to be bipartisan.

1:47:54 Speaker 4: So that's a good thing. Let's keep it that way because that's where it needs to be.

1:47:59 Speaker 8: This is not a political thing. This concerns every person on the face of the earth. Right, So in your experience,

1:48:19 Speaker 8: what do you think the agenda is? What is the endgame?

1:48:26 Speaker 9: Well, one thing we haven't talked about is I have written about and convinced that there is a let's say, very well organized, well funded, well organized group within government yeah, not only our government, but in other countries. I call them the UFO secrets ball that is committed to maintaining these secrets for whatever reason they may have, including greed, including power.

1:49:12 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:49:12 Speaker 9: They don't want these secrets released, and they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep them. And that's the kind of thing that and you hear you hear rumblings from some of these people in Congress and that there is a strong pushback within d O D in the intelligence community to maintain secrecy and right, so, we the public deserve the answers. We deserve to know what our government is doing, including whether or not they've already concluded the our visitors are the enemy and have have weaponry to shoot these objects out of the sky.

1:50:03 Speaker 9: Uh. I think we deserve to know that if that's.

1:50:06 Speaker 8: What yeh do you think? Do you think? Do you think Roswell happened?

1:50:14 Speaker 9: Absolutely, no question about it, no question, no question. There have been over three hundred witnesses that have come forward.

1:50:28 Speaker 9: We have we have affidavits from some of them. Uh. These are key witnesses, UH, some of them military.

1:50:38 Speaker 8: Uh.

1:50:39 Speaker 9: We have admitted to the events of Roswell.

1:50:44 Speaker 8: Uh.

1:50:45 Speaker 9: I think there's plenty of evidence, circumstantial evidence, of course, that it did happen.

1:50:54 Speaker 4: And and and in my the reason I bring up Roswell specifically is because it has a connection to nuclear as well.

1:51:05 Speaker 9: Five O nine.

1:51:07 Speaker 4: Uh you know, so the Roswell Army Airfield housed that that squadron, and it was the only nuclear power.

1:51:16 Speaker 8: Squadron, so it was a wing. But that's okay, sorry, Uh did I yeah?

1:51:25 Speaker 9: What is it called the five nine bomber wing?

1:51:29 Speaker 8: Sorry? Yes, thank you.

1:51:32 Speaker 9: They're the ones that dropped the bombomb Hiroshi.

1:51:37 Speaker 4: Yes, right, So, and that's what I've always said, is to think these guys mistook spaceship for weather balloon, sticks, tape and tinfoil. I mean, it was a bit outrageous, uh, to say the least. And it seems like the government, uh the or like you said, and like Daniel in a way, you know, in his speech gave right that he believes that there's uh this shadowy government with its own navy, its own army, you know, its own fundring on fundraising mechanism and operates above the law. And and and you know, uh sounds very similar to this UFO cabal.

1:52:31 Speaker 4: You know, it seems like they want to keep this secret at all costs. And you know, David Grush has recently come out and talked about how people been potentially murdered and I would say definitely, definitely murdered to keep this secret.

1:52:51 Speaker 9: We know from testimonies that many people were threatened with their lives if they spoke about what they know about Roswell.

1:53:05 Speaker 9: Whether people were murdered or not as an open question, but there have been some suspicious deaths in this field from time to time.

1:53:19 Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, yeah yeah. And if you ever I mean, have you ever been.

1:53:29 Speaker 4: Visited, have you ever been has anyone ever tried to persuade you to come say it's all a lie or to just go away?

1:53:46 Speaker 9: No, no, I can say categorically nobody has come to me directly and tried to influence me to stop talking about this, or threatened me in any way. Wait a minute, excuse me. I'm getting notes from my wife here, uh that there have been threats against others, and we have

1:54:27 Speaker 9: heard this directly from those people that they have been threatened not to speak out.

1:54:38 Speaker 8: Uh.

1:54:38 Speaker 9: So those threats are going on. People are frightened and like I say, that this cabal will go to many many or all lengths to keep their secrets, right.

1:54:55 Speaker 8: So and and I I just I find it weird that ye uh, these special access programs, Uh, you know the unacknowledged ones that that that nobody knows of, right, Uh,

1:55:16 Speaker 8: that that.

1:55:19 Speaker 4: Not even you know, these black projects, Uh that that had to do with some of the ones that have leaked at least you know what that what they were working on. Uh, you know they all things like anti gravity. Uh, I mean we know anti gravity was a huge thing in I think it was the fifties. It was in all the magazines and then it just disappeared and some have speculated that the code was or anti gravity was cracked. Could it be that it was cracked because of reverse engineered craft? Do you believe that we are in possession of craft of non human origin?

1:56:09 Speaker 9: Yes? Absolutely. In fact, there's a new book that well I just foind out about this summer written by Roberto Pinotti, an Italian investigator, and the book is about the Magenta crash that happened in Magenta, Italy in nineteen thirty three, where a craft was recovered. James Fox, who I think you're going to have on as a guest.

1:56:42 Speaker 8: Yes, In September.

1:56:43 Speaker 9: Yes, will confirm that there was a crash of a craft near Vargina, Brazil, because he did excellent documentary on that.

1:57:00 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:57:01 Speaker 9: And then we have Roswell of course, so there's plenty of evidence that craft crashed and that we've had access to those craft, and no doubt some sort of back engineering has been attempted. Who knows what kind of technical secrets we've derived problem that and also which you know, we know that some of our aerospace companies have been involved. Uh we know this from some of the discussions ah

1:57:47 Speaker 9: that have taken place recently in the Congress.

1:57:52 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's it's absolutely mind boggling actually, and I mean in your experts.

1:58:04 Speaker 4: So I had Danny Sheanon and he talked about the evidence for a galactic federation that there's multiple species, uh you know, interdimensional extraterrestrial you know, there's multiple species visiting this planet.

1:58:28 Speaker 8: Have you done any research? Have you looked into that? Uh? What what is your belief on on such a thing.

1:58:36 Speaker 9: Well, Uh, there are people I trust who have looked into it and had experience uh different types of beings.

1:58:48 Speaker 8: Uh.

1:58:49 Speaker 9: So yeah, I certainly think if one, let's say, civilization extraterrestrial civilization visited. The chances are that many have visited our world and are working peacefully in concert with each other.

1:59:16 Speaker 9: I mean that would be that's our objective here on Earth, right to work peacefully with other countries. We're not doing very good at it right now, but that's why we have to continue our evolution. But if you think about civilizations out there that existed for many, many more years than ours have, maybe they have found a way of getting along with each other and in cooperation with each other. So it makes logical sense that there would be some sort of federation like that. Hello, were still there?

2:00:09 Speaker 8: Yeah?

2:00:09 Speaker 4: Oh sorry, I was muted. So Mark uh Marco Leal he put a comment up and you had mentioned, uh, James Fox and Moment of Contact. Marco was actually the lead investigator for that film and he's a.

2:00:26 Speaker 8: Friend of the show, and he said, great, great live. So, uh, Marco's a great UFO researcher.

2:00:34 Speaker 5: He is.

2:00:35 Speaker 4: Without him, James Fox would not have been able to make Moment of Contact such a great documentary.

2:00:44 Speaker 9: So I agree.

2:00:46 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:00:48 Speaker 4: So you know, uh h you when you were when when you were abducted, you said they spoke to you telepathically and that you were able to speak back telepathically. This is something that that we hear often in cases uh of not only abduction, but close encounters kind of in general. Do you think that consciousness it seems that we are the pinnacle of biological evolution, at least in terms of our planet.

2:01:27 Speaker 8: You know, we have thumbs.

2:01:28 Speaker 4: Who are we We are able to manipulate the earth around us to our will.

2:01:33 Speaker 8: So it's it's logical to say that our next steps of evolution would be in the brain, and that would be conscious uh evolution. So do you think that you know consciousness? Is it is key to some of this phenomena?

2:01:56 Speaker 9: Uh? Well, in the sense that well, uh, I like to talk in terms of values.

2:02:08 Speaker 1: Uh uh.

2:02:11 Speaker 9: You might think of a civilization that in our civilization and human civilization, we live by a set of values. In other words, fairness, honesty, those kinds of things are part of our value system. And when you when I when I think of raising our level of consciousness, I think about being more faithful or true to our value systems. And I think that's what e T is watching waiting hoping that we will do. And that is the simple value of you know, doing unto others as we would have others do unto us, right, right, that we would live by that, not just utter the words, but actually honor and live by that, take care of each other better.

2:03:23 Speaker 9: Because if they allow us to leave our planet with our nuclear weapons, and by the way, we are doing that now while at least leaving our planet, we're planning to establish bases on the Moon, for example, and in the future bases on Mars, and not just the US, but China, Russia, other countries.

2:03:54 Speaker 4: Do you think that that the ETS would let us bring nuclear weapons to space, because the evidence suggests not.

2:04:05 Speaker 9: I hope not so. But in order to stop that or keep that from doing ourselves, you know, we they want us to take these actions ourselves and not to

2:04:22 Speaker 9: let's say, interfere with what we're doing, right, we will we would have to have mutual agreements, you know, that we could all live by that we will not indeed take any nuclear weapons to these bases off Earth. So that's what I'm talking when I say raising our level of consciousness. It's not just a question of uttering our value system, but of apply saying it. In fact.

2:05:05 Speaker 8: That makes sense. And uh, but.

2:05:08 Speaker 4: I mean there other people have come forward and said, you know that some of our are our our tests. When we tried to detonate a nuclear weapon in space, that it was thwarted by uh uh a UFO came in and and this was just a dummy it was. It wasn't even an actual uh like actual warhead. This UFO came in and basically zapped it, you know, and then it tumbled out of the sky.

2:05:48 Speaker 8: So it seems that that they wouldn't if they are that concerned that maybe they're restricting us to Earth only you will not be able to leave Earth with nuclear weapons.

2:06:08 Speaker 9: Well, again, like I said, they may have the capability of doing that. They may have the capability of stopping us from taking our weapons off Earth. However, I am also I think my speculation that they want us to,

2:06:39 Speaker 9: let's say, have the will and intent and to do that ourselves, to abolish all nuclear weapons on the moon on Mars now and not take those weapons out there and on our own volition, not because we are forced or told not to do that.

2:07:05 Speaker 8: Well, that would make sense in a like a Okay, I'm gonna let them. Yeah, I guess it is.

2:07:13 Speaker 9: It's otherwise otherwise we're would be subject to the will of some external like you say, a federation of beings, of extraterrestrial beings, and we would be under their direction per se. And nobody wants that. No nation or group of nations wants to be directed by others to do something or not.

2:07:49 Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree, I agree, And I think if if this, you know, the et races when and if they do make contact, I think they want it to be a hospitable thing and something that we grow into.

2:08:08 Speaker 5: You know.

2:08:09 Speaker 9: Uh, let's say a mutual respect.

2:08:13 Speaker 4: Right for for right right exactly, let us forge our own path. But uh, I mean the latter end of that, or the worst side of that, would be what if we don't get it right?

2:08:31 Speaker 8: Uh?

2:08:31 Speaker 4: And you know, would that lead to a catastrophic disclosure Like Danny Shehan talks about where they they're forced to reveal their hand.

2:08:44 Speaker 9: Oh well, yeah, who can say? What what might happen in the future? I think, Ah, A lot of this is speculation.

2:08:57 Speaker 6: Right yeah?

2:08:58 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, uh, But.

2:09:03 Speaker 9: Like I say, the optimal situation would be that we design among ourselves all nations of the Earth optimally will abolish nuclear weapons and optimally will come up with firm agreements not to transport our weaponry off Earth.

2:09:33 Speaker 8: Well, it's almost like it's almost like.

2:09:39 Speaker 4: A butterfly, I mean a caterpillar, right, It spins its cocoon and it needs to break out of that cocoon. Upon its evolution, it needs to struggle. If you help it, it will die. So you know, uh, we may be the caterpillar evolving into the butterfly in this case where they can't step in. They can't help us because if they do, it will hurt us in the long run.

2:10:14 Speaker 8: And that could be I mean.

2:10:18 Speaker 4: A strong implication of a of a no, almost like an eternals h vibe where you know, they have to watch from a distance, and that's why maybe only certain people get peaks here and there.

2:10:39 Speaker 9: That says Tyler, I agree with your analogy with the butterfly.

2:10:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, we could be the butterfly, you know, the caterpillar.

2:10:51 Speaker 9: Well, we haven't turned into butterflies yet. We're still.

2:10:57 Speaker 8: We're still we're still spinning the cocoon. Yeah, things up, Yeah, ay, I kind of you know that that that whole thing is throwing me for a loop. But a couple of final things, because I so.

2:11:21 Speaker 4: The Malmstrom Air Force based incident, the UFO or.

2:11:28 Speaker 8: The abduction, any other phenomena, as as have you.

2:11:35 Speaker 4: Ever been involved in any other phenomena? Has anything else happened to you that you'd like to share?

2:11:42 Speaker 9: Uh, well, I think it would take another hour or so to go over some of the other visitations. Let's say we've had and experiences. There have been others in our lives, both myself and my wife. Uh. But again it would be too involved to go into here.

2:12:06 Speaker 8: But you're saying there are more experiences.

2:12:11 Speaker 9: Well, we have had other experiences.

2:12:13 Speaker 8: Yes, that that's that's really really so obviously we'll have to have you back on.

2:12:23 Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I love talking to you, Robert. Uh, you're such a honorable man, and and you are a patriot. Yeah, you know, you've done all you can. You've given your testimony to to the right people. You've given the evidence to the people that are supposed to make the changes necessary and and and uh do you have hope that change is coming?

2:12:54 Speaker 9: Oh? Absolutely? Uh. I have hope that change is coming in disclosure and with the human race, that we will continue to evolve provided we don't blow each other up.

2:13:15 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

2:13:19 Speaker 4: Is there anything, Is there any anything that you're working on right now that people can look forward to. I have a couple by the way, stick around after the show ends, after the outra music. I just want to talk to you for a second. But is there anything you're working on right now that people can look forward to or you know, can you tell us about other projects that you've done.

2:13:53 Speaker 9: I have written three books. I've spoken in seventeen countries. I've spoken to the governments of Brazil and Mexico. Uh The only thing I I hope for and would love to do is speak at a hearing public hearing in Congress, and uh so I've got my feelers up for that.

2:14:23 Speaker 8: I'm going to try to help. I'm gonna reach out.

2:14:28 Speaker 9: That'd be great.

2:14:29 Speaker 8: I'll reach out.

2:14:31 Speaker 4: I have Tim Tim's phone number, so I will I will reach out.

2:14:36 Speaker 9: So that's all I'm working on right now. I'm not working on another book at this point, although I don't

2:14:45 Speaker 9: uh huh, you know, I'm not saying I won't write another book, but.

2:14:52 Speaker 8: I think I think I think there is I.

2:14:57 Speaker 4: Think that your story needs to be told uh in in in uh for a new audience, a younger audience. Uh So, I think I think there's opportunity here or or opportunity there. But I'll have all your links in the description like I said below, and anyone tuning in can buy any of the books and you can watch Robert h Robert, You've given your testimony in so many films, documentaries shows that you know there there there's uh so much out there that people people can people can feed on. So I really just wanted to say thank you for coming on the show tonight.

2:15:49 Speaker 4: And how can people You have a Twitter.

2:15:51 Speaker 9: Right, yeah, I'm kept title on Twitter.

2:15:57 Speaker 8: And then on Facebook it's just Robert Salay right right.

2:16:02 Speaker 9: On YouTube, I've got a YouTube channel under Bob Solace or Giant Head.

2:16:10 Speaker 8: Three, okay, and you post videos there frequently.

2:16:16 Speaker 9: Uh there are videos on the my YouTube channel. Uh what I like, I said, I gave a presentation. I've given many presentations at the National Press Club. Some of those are on there.

2:16:32 Speaker 8: Uh yeah, yeah, I love all that stuff.

2:16:37 Speaker 4: So I actually I'll put that link in there below as well. Robert, thank you so much. I hope this is the first of many conversations. Your your true patriot and the stuff that you've been through, you know it. It's good to see that you still have you know, your wits and your sense of humor at your pagiotism, and and your wife, she's such a lovely person.

2:17:08 Speaker 8: Congratulations on your guys anniversary, and I just want to say again thank you for your service to this country.

2:17:17 Speaker 9: Yeah. I absolutely agree with you about my wife phenomenal human being and we will have been married fifty five years this this month.

2:17:31 Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, whatn't amazing?

2:17:34 Speaker 4: And you know, any veterans that are struggling out there who have who have had a sighting, what would you recommend?

2:17:49 Speaker 9: Well? Number one, to make sure you document your memories of it as best you can in a journal, and try to get corroborating witnesses to document various facts, and take seriously the possibility of coming forward publicly. We need, we need more, We need as many witnesses as we can get. We do. We will have new whistleblower protections, uh in the new legislation coming up. Uh so uh, keep your hopes up that you can publicly talk about this as best you can. Yeah.

2:18:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, So for everyone out there in the podcast sphere, I don't know why, but.

2:18:51 Speaker 4: Let me let me start streaming to Twitter at like the last twenty minutes only. So that was very uh, elon, I'm pulling my finger at you because I pay money for uh for Twitter. So that was very that that through a wrench. But to anyone out there listening, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and if you're listening on podcast platforms in the future, make sure you follow the show and leave a star rating. It helps us garner a wider audience, so we keep bringing you the best content possible. We want to thank Robert Tells for his service to our country as a retired Air Force commander, especially with the job he had, like we.

2:19:41 Speaker 8: Said, and for everyone else our members you know what it is. Will see you guys next time. Thank you, sorry you said, thank you.

2:19:55 Speaker 9: Thank you very much. Tyler, I appreciate being here. Thank you, Thank you child.

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