The Demonic Threads of UFOs, Aliens, and the Puppet Masters of Earth (With Guest Total Disclosure)

0:58 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Well, welcome to Alien Addict. We are your daily conspiracy podcast because repertilions don't take days off. Before we bring our guest on and the rest of the panel. I want to remind you that we have some of these delicious T shirts that you can go and buy from our merch store. Ollie is in the process of sort of new designs out so they're not could be here very often. Obviously, this is also an audio podcast. If you're listening on audio. We could really do with the extra reviews.

1:32 Speaker 1: Since we've been asking for reviews. We went up from thirty nine I believe to seventy five in a week since I asked you to start doing it. So keep doing that because no doubt it will do something and it will help us. So, without further ado, Oliver Ah, I pressed the wrong button, go away. I tried to rename you Oliver, David and our special guest this evening Thailand from total disclosure. How are we doing? Everybody good?

2:06 Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing swell. Ready to get get chatting.

2:11 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just happy to be here. I'm alive. Are you are you Allie? Are you happy to be here? Yeah?

2:24 Speaker 2: He's got three hours left.

2:29 Speaker 3: I'll last night and yeah, well me and Dave, we don't we don't drink very much.

2:37 Speaker 1: I've I've only recently started this journey of almost sobriety. Oliver has kind of hopped onto this, but he's still in that phase now of where he's not he doesn't know he's trying to do it yet. So because he goes for big stages without drinking. Now he looks at a couple of pints and the next day feels like he wants to destroy his own livers. So he never has to do it ever again. That's pretty much.

3:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, five years sober, Yeah, yeah, five years almost I'm going on six without your drink.

3:18 Speaker 1: Wow.

3:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this. I will say this. Your life quality will improve immensely the day that you give that ship up.

3:29 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

3:30 Speaker 2: It's it's why do you think that they call it? Why do you think that they call it spirits? Like? You know how they call it? You know, I don't know about the UK. But so if you're if you're looking for like a liquor store in the United States, usually what you'll see is beer like wine, spirits and more right so they call it spirits because and liquor specifically, because it seemed like you are a different person, you were possessed by spirit. It's a spirit in the bottle, right, So there's no question to me that that drinking there's some connection with some I think it makes you a little bit more susceptible to maybe something tomorrow.

4:18 Speaker 1: Well, we've spoke about this sort of stuff on the podcast before. I believe that all people have some sort of innate like spiritual antibodies, you know, so that like protect protectors, like a what's the right word for it, autoimmune, Yeah, an immune syst like a spiritual immune system. And I think drinking drugs can like deplete that and leave you susceptible to things. I have one hundred percent agree with that.

4:55 Speaker 1: So total disclosure. How did how did that happen? How did you get into this craziness?

5:01 Speaker 2: Oh well I've always been into it, Yeah, I've always always I had a sighting of the UFO when I was very young. Uh, this is before pre inner. I look young, but I'm thirty one. Uh and that's I'm still young. I mean there's no I know, there's a bunch of people out there like, oh he thinks he's old. But when I was, when I was a boy, I had uh I was. I was in front of my house. I remember it like it's it's like one of the clearest memories that I have, and that also strikes me as odd. But I'm standing there and the kids in the neighborhood hadn't gotten home from school yet.

5:51 Speaker 2: I stayed home sick, quote unquote right sick. I was fine, I just didn't want.

5:57 Speaker 1: To go to school.

5:58 Speaker 2: But so we had the very inclined roof. So I used to take a tennis ball when no one was around. It was a way to kind of play catch with yourself. You'd throw the tennis ball up onto the roof. It would roll down the roof and it would pop off the gutter and you'd have to, you know, then you'd catch it. So I'm mid throw, so I'm looking up in this circular craft oscillating and moving forward at tree top level just comes right over my head. Classic gun metal gray circular with three distinct points that made a triangle, like if you were to draw a line to each of the circles, it would have made a triangle inside of the circle.

6:49 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? So okay, I chased it I went around my house and it was gone. And so I remember that very very clearly. What I don't remember is the next twenty four hours. But then I remember going to the library because again no computers. I went to the library and that's where I found communion. Communion let me down the path. I ended up finding a picture of a flying saucer in that section, and it looked damn mirror exactly what I saw. So that led me to always be the person at the party in high school, in history class, questioning everything right.

7:48 Speaker 2: I went to film school. I went into Hollywood. I was interviewing actors. My mom got diagnosed with breast cancer. I only include that not for sympathy, not not not to say oh, but because it comes up later. So I'm interviewing actors. I go the route of Hollywood after film school. I want to work in Hollywood. But uh, Hollywood's toxic. Everybody sucks. You have to deal with agents. Their agents are are They make you feel grimy. Just working on sets was grimy. The the glamor that I thought was Hollywood, it was just it's it's a farce.

8:33 Speaker 2: It's it's not real. It's it's it's it's a screen what I call now, it's it's it's just a screen. The memory. It's this idea of what we have of what we think of Hollywood as like you know, lights, camera action, but it's a it's a lot of toxicity, it's a lot of just bad people. So in that time, my mom gets diagnosed with breast cancer and I end up in the room with her the moment she passes right And I don't know how to explain this very well. I've never really been able to explain it very well. But I saw her leave the room.

9:19 Speaker 2: I saw so I looked, I was talking to her. She was on a lot of more feed so you know, I was talking to essentially just her body and her spirit. And you know, I'm telling her that, you know, I'm glad that she got to see me sober. I'm glad, you know. And then my phone vibrates and I make we've all had this, we know what this means. I made a split second decision in my head. It happened so quickly. I felt my phone buzzing in my pocket, and in that split second, I made the decision, no matter who is texting, calling, or whatever it is, it's not worth it.

10:03 Speaker 2: But I looked at my pants. When I looked up, this like ball of if you ever looked down a hot highway and saw like the heat DISPERSIONA put that in a ball, perfect ball I saw when I came up from looking at my pants, just a ball of that across my field. Division went out the window. I looked back at my mother, and she had passed away.

10:34 Speaker 1: Not said wild wow.

10:37 Speaker 2: I'm not drawing any conclusions, but what the fuck was that?

10:42 Speaker 1: I find it interesting, you say went out the window as well, because I know I know people in healthcare. I know people that have worked in like trauma and stuff like that. And they built a hospital where I am and in the oh I can't remember. Yeah, it was in the like the trauma room if you come into like er. They didn't put any windows in it. It was just a box. And the first thing, like some of the people I know that work in there said, was like, that room's getting haunted because you always leave a window in those rooms to allow things to escape.

11:17 Speaker 1: So I find that really interesting that he just said.

11:20 Speaker 2: Oh whoa, But so okay, all right, so it leaves the room right I I and I don't know what the I don't know what the hell I just saw m But I'm not quick to dismiss right, So the rest of my brother, my brothers, and sister, my two brothers and sister come in. I don't tell them. I don't think it's appropriate at that time. We go through our grieving process, whatever, whatever, And I wasn't happy with what I was doing. And that's where total disclosure birth was. When my mom passed, that's when it birthed.

12:06 Speaker 2: Right, is that that was the final domino. I was a closeted UFO participant, right, so I was always aware of what was going on. I knew the twenty seventeen article came out. I paid so much attention to everything. I watched all the documentaries still, but I never talked publicly about it. I did with my friends, like I said, at parties, in history class, I question everything. But it wasn't until I saw my mother essentially what I think, leave her essence, leave her body, leave the room and depart.

12:47 Speaker 2: That's what I was like, whoever's playing Because at the time, what I was doing was talking actors, mostly in the comic book Realm. How can you sit there and have a conversation about Batman as cool as he is when there is some real shit happening. Mm hmmm, how can that be more important? Right? It can't. There's I could not justify doing pop culture Corner anymore, so I killed it. Total Disclosure was birth that day. I was like, I need answers, and I now I'm set out. Now now I'm out of the closet.

13:34 Speaker 2: If you will, has.

13:35 Speaker 4: Your opinion changed on the UFO subject for your journey with total Disclosure?

13:43 Speaker 2: Yes?

13:44 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to interject there, but to add to Ali's things, maybe if you can explain, like if you see how to sight him? Maybe if you can, if you can explain how you felt at the beginning of doing the podcast, of doing your podcast about these things, and then elaborate on how it's changed.

14:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, So at the beginning, I was still very much nuts and bolts, right. What I saw was a UFO, A nut I saw a craft right that I could wrap my head around. Now, I think I think the big, the big lie that we're all, that we're all led to believe growing up, is that the world is black and white. Right. It's not till later that the veils pulled out from you and you realize there's so much more gray than there is, right, It's not everything can be summed up by a one or a zero. H it. So I've gone from really nuts and bolts to I think that we're dealing with dimensions, not only dimension.

14:58 Speaker 2: I think there's not just a phenomenon, but phenomena converging a lot of different things happening. So I make of that what you will, but I think that's where the cross sections of the paranormal, the UFO world, or the other worldly, you know, interdimensional cryptids. I think there's all and for some reason, UH consciousness seems to be the key to all of it.

15:31 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I've been wondering lately whether when you look back at UH history and folklore and stuff like that, I find interest in that, Like for in, for instance, the Chinese zodiac, I think is made up of x amount of real animals apart from a dragon. So there's there's a dragon in there, so for some reason they supposedly stick one fictitious animal in there. The the ideas come to me like just like we have like natural like ebbs and flows and climate over the years, whether there is something to do something to do with that has like you say, either something to do with conscious consciousness or however thick the veil is.

16:21 Speaker 1: So whenever, when we look at like all this crazy folklore times where you would be forgiven for thinking that they lived in like tolkien esque, like a tolkeien Esque world, I wonder if that's actually how it was at some point and all these things this that whatever this phenomena was, was interacting much more and much heavier with people at that time. I mean, even even if you take like medieval folklore out of it and just go back to what the Egyptians were saying about pyramids being built. They for some reason we know we have half half beast, half man, great creatures on higher hieroglyphs.

17:10 Speaker 1: It's that could be a similar thing where we just go through these phases. And if that's the case, I wonder if we're entering another one of these periods in history now where we start interacting with whatever this is outside of like our idea of physical reality.

17:29 Speaker 2: Well, I think that there is absolutely something to be said that technology the way we see it is right, it's technology, right, But I think the technology our ancestors were using was of a different volition. It was it had more to do with consciousness, interaction with and and and and they had. There's just something that has me set that. I mean, we look around and yes, we've become more advanced in our civilization, but have we lost something along the way. I think we have. And I think that is our connection.

18:18 Speaker 2: Two, there are are the missing link, if you will, Like, why we're here? How are we a species that doesn't know our own fucking origin? I'm sorry? Can that curse? Okay? All right? Like how is that possible? How? How could that be that we are so so advanced, you know, so meticulous, you know, uh, but we don't understand our true origin. At least we cannot all agree that there's a consensus reality.

18:55 Speaker 1: M hmm.

18:56 Speaker 2: Right, you got your your your religious you know, people who think that the earth is like six thousand years old, and then you know, you have the the the Big Bang and more scientific approach. But then if you look at them, right, uh, there's way more similarities than you then then then then they're there are not right God? Let God said, let there be light. Well, that sounds like the Big Bang to me? Mm hmm, yeah, what does it sound like to you? They're talking about the same goddamn thing, right, I just think the timelines I think I think I think man Man wrote the Bible, and that's why it's flawed.

19:42 Speaker 1: And and.

19:45 Speaker 2: I think that we all as a civilization need to step back because all the stories that we tell, why are they also familiar?

19:57 Speaker 1: Well, we're doing the same thing again with oh, the simulation for theory, because simulation theory is just creationism for atheists.

20:07 Speaker 2: It's a very good it's a very good analogy. Yeah, I would say so, but it it just it's always got me wondering, you know, what kind of connection did our ancestors have to this intelligent this intelligence? Because there is clearly from the micro to the macro intelligent design to our universe. The similarities in the micro and the macro. Just the fact that we're able to have this conversation, that we're able to contemplate this shows me there's intelligent design to the universe. So to suggest that there are no that we're the only thing, that we're the best of the best, it's just uttered bis to me.

21:02 Speaker 2: Right, So, especially with all the flaws that we have, I mean, we're tearing our own planet down.

21:11 Speaker 5: It makes me like the depth of the mystery. Right, it's so broad, it's so deep. It only to me anyway, lends itself to for me to believe that there's this ecosystem of flora and fauna that exists alongside and with us, that we're unable to perceive, and that someone along the line either used to be able to see it and interact with it for their betterment or for their detriment, and that maybe along the line somebody's maintained that technology, but they just keep it to themselves and they're still doing it.

21:42 Speaker 5: Can even look at the massive scientific discoveries that have been made in the past one hundred years, how many of them came to these people in dreams or visions, And even though they got a Nobel prize, they left that part of it out right, And no, here's you found DNA, but we're not telling you how you found DNA. You found out that Adams split this way, but we're not talking about how you found out. There's something more, and it's been hidden from us, actively hidden from.

22:04 Speaker 2: Us at the like the great late Senator Daniel an Away said, right, there's a shadow government and operates on its own agenda, above the law, with its own army fundraising mechanisms, and I mean, come on, it's it's just it's it's so you know, I would say one hundred years ago, if you surveyed one hundred people, ninety nine would say we are alone in the universe. Today ninety nine would say we're not right. So the conversation, the proof, the burden of proof is shifted. Mitchell Cocker says this a lot.

22:48 Speaker 2: The burden of proof is shifted from the believer to the to the non believer to the skeptic. Tell me, because in a court of law, we have enough evidence to suggest that there is phenomenal, nothing, something happening. So beyond a reasonable doubt, I think we can all agree that something on Earth is happening, and it's it's it's it something that we don't understand fully, we can't perceive it. We've either lost some sort of some lost in ability to perceive it, or it's there and it's dormant.

23:30 Speaker 1: So I have a question for you. Sorry, you go no, no, no, no.

23:36 Speaker 1: The I believe like, I think you're right with what you say. And I think if you ask a lot of people now, they would say, yeah, we're not alone in the universe. I think ninety that falls on the New York Times article to this day, congressional hearings, all that sort of stuff. So if that's the case, and I think you're right, why all of a sudden did because I believe what you say about the shadow of shadow government as well. The only thing I would add to that is, I don't think it's a shadow government.

24:10 Speaker 1: I think it's like a shadow covenant, that is something that is above everything else, like watches, keepers, whatever, these things that these things or people or entity are. There is something above what we see as the surface level roof of.

24:25 Speaker 2: Power and terrifying notion.

24:31 Speaker 1: But why then did those people suddenly want my mom and dad that didn't believe in UFOs yesterday, why do they want them to believe in UFOs today? Because that's what's happened. At some point, there's been a shift in what the people at the top want public perception to be. And twenty years ago they didn't want people talking about UFOs. Now they want everybody talking about Ufos's good.

25:00 Speaker 2: That's a good point. What has changed?

25:05 Speaker 1: Well, the minute the minute government forces asked me to believe in aliens, specifically aliens, was the day I stopped believe in in aliens.

25:18 Speaker 5: I think there was enough of a like after the after World War Two, there has been a consistent push to put science as the god and the focus. We don't question science, scientists to the new priesthood. We've seen that in the last undoings and unhappenings, right like these last tragic things. I think someone along the line says, we've got enough depth, we have enough push, we have enough of them thinking now we need to bring in the new gods and we'll explain it in a way that they'll believe and they'll submit unconditionally.

25:48 Speaker 5: Because if they would have done it beforehand, people would have been rebuking that and running back to the church. No one's doing that today.

25:55 Speaker 2: Shit, Dave, the new gods, the new gods, that's just.

26:00 Speaker 5: Like the old ones that got kicked out right right right.

26:06 Speaker 6: I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy with the kids, and I just thought, maybe maybe maybe in all this, like the movies and what have you, that they are telling us something.

26:22 Speaker 4: Because those it got.

26:24 Speaker 2: Into the galaxy, it goes further back.

26:27 Speaker 4: It's like the so called aliens.

26:30 Speaker 2: But they are think about think about the movies, right, They're based on the comics. Mm hmm, what just like just like Steven Spielberg and Close Encounters, right now, we think the government kind of went to or you know, we know that Alan Heinek was a consultant for the film, that Spielberg had a lot of access to to Project Blue Book or who what was a huge four if not the biggest form of entertainment for people in the

27:07 Speaker 2: forty I would say thirties, forties, fifties, sixties into the seventies is comic books, Right, So who's to say that they didn't call stan Lee and give him some ideas why store an Avenger?

27:26 Speaker 1: Yeah?

27:27 Speaker 2: Right, So to your point about Guardians the Galaxy, I think, yes, I think what they're doing is they're solidifying the fact that the cosmos is teeming with life.

27:39 Speaker 1: Yeah.

27:41 Speaker 5: You know what I thought was interesting, since we're talking about movie references, which I think are always a good, good way to at least spur on interesting conversation.

27:49 Speaker 1: When you look at that.

27:53 Speaker 5: Close Encounters of the Third kind, and I just watched it recently, I finally kind of dawned. I mean, maybe in this weird way that maybe I hadn't noticed before, but I you know, it was this guy's journey and all this. I don't really think it was so much about the journey as it was illustrating a point like if it's an acknowledgment, say it's the government acknowledging something, which just you know, we're on a conspiracy show.

28:12 Speaker 1: We can we can do outlandish things. What would be the thing that they're acknowledging the most?

28:18 Speaker 5: Is it that there are some kind of being that they're aware of and they're trying to communicate with maybe maybe, Or is it that there's some other intelligence that chooses who it wants to communicate with, and the government monitors interferes with those people, tries to intercept if it possible, because they want the conversation that those things aren't interested in having with them, they want to have with the people they already picked. It would make sense if you follow the phenomenon. How many people see things and then have paranormal activity, Like they live unusual lives that maybe to them seem normal, but if you compare it side by side with anyone with a vanilla cookie cutter life, they just start stacking experiences.

29:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I agree, it's interesting thing.

29:07 Speaker 1: It is good.

29:10 Speaker 2: No, no, no, go well, and I forgot now, So.

29:15 Speaker 1: In and out I've been I've been slowly terrifying myself actually over the past few days about things and there. But this goes back to what Dave was saying about the idea of ushering in new gods, and then that got me thinking about the what we've been through, like with the pandemic and the whole idea of like you know what, we kept hearing the idea of this, like the Great Reset, and it only dawned on me maybe yesterday or day before, when I was looking at certain stuff I've been looking into, like the orphan trains in the US, and it's suddenly dawned on me when I was looking at that.

29:53 Speaker 1: So I'll hang on a second. So if we look at this for the conspiracy lens of the Great Reset, and we think of it as being like some sort of new monetary system that's been brought in, and you know, you will be shifted over from like Fiat currency to some sort of digital euro book thing and it will all be controlled on like an app with the social credit score and stuff. I thought to myself, Yeah, that's a shift, that's a change, but it's it's not like a a great reset. And then when I started looking into this the orphan train thing, and it's the like the quick synopsis that I was reading was saying that there was between eighteen fifty four and nineteen twenty nine, they shifted two hundred thousand kids from supposedly like over overcrowded cities in the US like to rural areas in the Midwest.

30:57 Speaker 1: Now, the the official word words for this is that these two hundred thousand kids that was shifted were either abandoned or put up for it. Well, so abandoned or unwanted, which I would have thought was the same thing. So even if you think about it, even if you say, right, well we'll average it out at a that there was two hundred thousand kids, but they both came as brothers and sisters from from two children child families, you still miss it. One hundred thousand pairs of parents. That's two hundred thousand parents from this So where where did these kids come from that was shipped around the country?

31:45 Speaker 1: Why was this? Why do we only have like what why is our records go back that long? Like so shaky, so sketchy, and essentially like that, because I've been if anyone that hasn't found the YouTube channel yet on my lunch break, I implore you to go and find it if you're interested in like hidden history stuff, maybe like Tartarius like thing, like where where the sort of old world has gone. I don't think anybody is doing a better job than on my lunch break. And if for some reason someone listens to this that either knows him or is in contact with him, I'd fucking love to get him on this show.

32:26 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's so. That's the way I'm kind of terrifying myself with this stuff now is maybe Dave's right, Maybe this is the ushering in of new gods. Maybe this has happened multiple times, and this entity that exists above government and above like the service level, just knows that there's a certain point we can get, we can let humanity get to before we start losing control of it, before we get like I don't know. For instance, let's say the instantaneous trying fur of information. Let's say the ability for four people in completely different parts of the world to get together and talk to this in front of one hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people through multiple platforms that they can do instantaneously at once, allowing one person to become a news network.

33:22 Speaker 1: Maybe that's happened multiple times. And when that happens, they have to hit the great reset button in order to keep control on humanity. So this is our fault.

33:33 Speaker 2: That's the tower of babble. M is it not think about every single time?

33:40 Speaker 1: Right?

33:41 Speaker 2: Every single time? That because we're on the we're on the precipice of no language barrier, right, the Samsung buds that can translate in real time? Yeah, right, why we're why we're Why were humans struck down? Right? Because we we we got too close, too close to the gods. And you know that's when they decided, all right, sever what uh sever the language right, split them up, separate languages. So factionalism is what is keeping us from a united front. And we look at the UFO community. Just look at the UFO community.

34:31 Speaker 2: Factions upon factions. You got your doctor Greer lovers, doctor Greed, I mean I mean greer Sorry Smith spoked cough, just kidding. The Alezondo folk, Uh, get.

34:52 Speaker 1: The host picture, Ali the host picture, finish them off.

35:00 Speaker 1: Ha ha ha there you go. Bro.

35:06 Speaker 2: Oh that was so perfect clip that time stamp and somebody Uh, we can't.

35:12 Speaker 5: Figure out why he won't come on the show. We've been asking for years.

35:21 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, you wouldn't get a word in edgewise. He dude, he's so fucking jacked. Man, look at that guy. Got that guy's leading disclosure and if you don't like it, fucking flat just kidding. But even in the community, we can't get it together. We factionalize, we got our you know camps. It's like and and and then and and. Doctor Greer honestly is a good case study because he I think he did start with some good intentions. I think he started pure and was corrupted by money to read and essentially uh an untapped uh well of money.

36:10 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy charges six thousand dollars to meditate on a wooden spike. The fuck is going on?

36:19 Speaker 5: Do you have that picture of him with all those notable figures?

36:23 Speaker 1: That the worst picture he was referencing?

36:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rockefeller Ranch picture? Yes, so wow. I haven't seen this in a while though, So lookod, lookod, why did my cameras just shut off.

36:45 Speaker 1: These things?

36:45 Speaker 5: They know you can't talk about Bigelow and Linda Moltenhowell cozying up.

36:52 Speaker 2: I I think that I think that Greer really did start with pure intentions. I think he was correct it along the way. But I think, if you he's a really good case study in this in the sense that he preaches that all new non human intelligence is they've advanced past hostility, they've advanced past they're all our brothers. They're here to help us, that we should welcome them with open arms, right, and we all need to come together as one community. Yet every single person that comes out and tries to shed more light, he's the first person to call them a disinformation agent, right, So he's not practicing what he preaches.

37:44 Speaker 2: So it's hard for me to take a guy like that serious.

37:49 Speaker 1: Yeah you get in the same thing right now, aren't you with David Ike? And yes, you know he he will sit there and say how he's been posed cuted over the years, and then we'll instantly try and throw Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Andrew take anyone, anyone that happens to come up. He'll launched them under the buses, being like part of the problem. And you go hang on a second, because they they seem to be saying, okay things about you, So what's what's the deal here, the Stephen that, like the Stephen Greer thing.

38:24 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think he probably started with some sort of pure intentions. I think.

38:28 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember, he just parts his ass at money making avenue and didn't didn't never left.

38:35 Speaker 1: I don't even necessarily think it's it's that because but I mean, don't get wrong, I think it's obviously part of it. I think the guy has clearly made some money, and he's making money through what he's doing. But you've got around I wonder why, I mean, look at the Disclosure Project, for instance, the Disclosure Project. If we look at like these things at face value should have been disclosure. There was enough people. There was enough people and enough credible people that came forward with stories that the world should have took notice.

39:04 Speaker 1: The world didn't take notice. The world didn't care. We were far too busy with everything else.

39:11 Speaker 1: And I wonder whether that was like, oh okay, well I tried, and and I still think, like when you watch the documentaries with him on, I still think he means what he says. We often say this. I think me and Dave brought this on a podcast the other day because we were talking about who was it when we were talking about Dave that constantly gets thrown under like the shill buss and stuff like that. Yeah, pretty sure. I don't believe in the lifetime actor theory. Oh he's dead. Yeah, I don't believe in the lifetime actor theory.

39:50 Speaker 1: I think the the idea that Greek could just be like on the Grift all the time, not care about what he's doing, not care care of about or even believe what he's saying. I think that the best salesman believe in the product they're trying to sell. They do, and that you could dildo salesman.

40:15 Speaker 4: I am a good dildo salesman, the best.

40:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

40:19 Speaker 5: He tastes everyone himself exactly quality insurance.

40:27 Speaker 2: Think about all the stories that Greer has inserted himself into.

40:34 Speaker 2: He does a need to be.

40:38 Speaker 1: In the.

40:40 Speaker 2: In the mix of all of it. He's always somehow a part of it. And I'm not gonna say I don't watch every documentary, every podcast that he goes on, because I do. And I think that more of the UFO community, more of the paranormal what you know this I when I say a UFO community, I mean everything you know, all related phenomena. I think we all need to be a little bit better at remaining neutral and hearing what everybody has to say, and start separating the wheat from the chaft, right, take what you need right, start looking for the dots connecting them.

41:25 Speaker 2: Right, Because even though Greer is maybe out of touch with some things, the guy does know stuff. There's no doubt, right, there's no doubt that he knows things and that he has talked of the picture you just showed.

41:46 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at that picture.

41:48 Speaker 2: Look at the amount of the look at the heavy hitters there.

41:51 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, so.

41:54 Speaker 2: That's and then and then you can make that argument.

42:00 Speaker 1: Yeah.

42:00 Speaker 2: Look, I've had Linda on the show. Actually that's the o. They won't have had on out of that group. But is that Bigelow?

42:10 Speaker 5: Then yes, they're snuggled together. Next time you have her on the show, you should ask her about that.

42:16 Speaker 2: Well, Uh, I never noticed that Bigelow is in that picture.

42:22 Speaker 5: M h, Well, damn, I'd be curious to know what the rock Feller J White ranch in Wyoe means really, Like, Uh, I get what you're saying. Though, for Greer, the way I look at it, with Greer, I think he started out with the best of intentions. I think he's actually done a tremendous amount of good for the quote unquote air quote UFO community, whatever that means. But he's bringing the topic up to a lot of people. Because he has valid credentials, people will take him seriously. And he's spoken to how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people have heard this story from him and at least sparked their curiosity moving forward.

42:59 Speaker 5: You know, he's done that. He's done more than any of us, right. He has gotten people into the subject to question the narrative, to get involved and understand that there is something going on, and that should absolutely be commended. I would love to have a conversation with him see what the change is, because it does seem to be a perceptible change in things.

43:19 Speaker 1: But if anything, I think, what is it?

43:21 Speaker 5: He just got an award here recently, right, yeah, yeah, and and and good for him, he deserve I forget who it was.

43:29 Speaker 1: I can't think of it.

43:32 Speaker 2: It wasn't the Cosmic Conscious Awards, was it?

43:36 Speaker 1: I don't know, No, sure, but he should get more.

43:40 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm it's easy for people who are deep into the subject to hate on the guy because they don't think he does enough. It's the same people anytime a documentary comes to people, Well, he didn't have this information and we already know all that. No one takes into account that the majority of the population doesn't know these things and when they come out it is new to them. To the diehard craze, he's like us who are very mentally unwell, yeah, yeah, we're all about it, right, like we get that's not enough, we need more.

44:07 Speaker 2: Uh.

44:08 Speaker 5: But for you know, John Jones living down the street and mister Smith, who aren't into this. Him and his wife happened to catch the documentary and they're, WHOA is that A that's a he's a real emergency room doctor.

44:20 Speaker 1: Talking about this stuff and career. He left that career, And I did look.

44:26 Speaker 2: I did actually vent because I was always I was always a little weary about that. I looked into it. The dude who is making moucho, I mean, he was the lead, like he was above above, so I don't know what it means in the medical world, but he was like he was the supervisor of this like that. So he had a cushy job and he left it to pursue this So I think there is one thing to be said about the UFO community and the paranormal community is that we say this often. It's someone has an experience, and it's unlike any other topic or niche or hobby, because once it touches you, you become obsessed and you instead of this is the only topic.

45:31 Speaker 2: Like I said that, I've seen people literally drop everything and just go full on course correction. I want answers, and that's what I'm doing for the rest of my life. What other thing? What other topic?

45:52 Speaker 1: What other uh?

45:55 Speaker 2: I don't really know how to say it, but what other thing would make someone like that, make someone act that way, make someone up? Well, aside from addiction.

46:09 Speaker 5: Hookers, Yeah, well only if you're drowning them.

46:13 Speaker 1: You know already give up, right, But.

46:18 Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. I just had Robert Sallas on the show.

46:26 Speaker 1: Who's That? That was your last show, wasn't I think it was.

46:30 Speaker 2: My last show?

46:30 Speaker 1: Yes?

46:32 Speaker 2: And he was part of that Disclosure Project. I don't know if you remember the original two thousand and one disclosure project. Someone from my audience brought it up, that disclosure project. One point zero happens, what happens a month later nine to eleven. Mm hmm, because, like you said, that should have been disclosure right there. Yeah, immediate something take told of the news cycle immediately after.

47:04 Speaker 1: The disclosure project like a the first one reminds me somewhat of because we just had butt Brella on last week and we when we were talking about the Moon show, I said to him, like towards the end of our interview with him that I thought, I think a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon. If that had been released in a Internet world where it would have been shared on multiple video sites and millions of people would have seen it, I think that would have changed the world. Yeah, it would have changed changed the world.

47:41 Speaker 1: That the the the clean up operation that would have had to have gone on from the Moon hoax team because I I don't believe we went to the Moon

47:55 Speaker 1: would have had to be so it would have been impossible, it would.

47:58 Speaker 2: You know, they we went to the Moon?

48:01 Speaker 1: No, not for a second.

48:03 Speaker 2: What am I talking to here? I doesn't say I just had a different screen up. Who doesn't believe?

48:12 Speaker 5: I don't believe it went don't believe, but neither of you.

48:17 Speaker 1: Hollie, Come on, make make make the pyramid.

48:24 Speaker 4: I don't, but I don't believe the footage we saw it was.

48:29 Speaker 2: Scare. Now you're saying, now we're now, we're on the right path, do I do?

48:35 Speaker 1: I know?

48:36 Speaker 4: I think, Okay, if we went to the moon, we're there. Now, we're still there. I don't believe that they stopped. If they did go, they didn't stop.

48:48 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you can't believe in a secret fucking government and not think we've been to the moon.

48:54 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

48:55 Speaker 5: I think they can go. I think that the there's investigates cha charing to we didn't go to the moon. I think that they would be more obsessed with the occults and control measures here because when I look at secret emails, I don't see too much about the secret space program or agency. But I do see things where world leaders are talking about sacrificing chickens.

49:15 Speaker 1: To Moloch, you know what I mean.

49:19 Speaker 5: They're not, hey, get Captain Kirk ready for the beam me up to Mars, but they're like, hey, get the chicken ready, because we're gonna cut the head off that with some walnut sauce and dance naked in the moonlight under fire No, we're just pouling around.

49:31 Speaker 1: All the guys are doing. All the guys are doing little grab ass, you know, no big deal. But yeah, the amounts of times I've like just sent like joke emails to people talking about making sacrifice to Baffa Matt, Like, I can't count those emails. I sent six hundred and sixty six today. I need that from there. Was right.

50:05 Speaker 2: Oh man, I got to chat with you more. Oh god, I haven't laughed like that in a while.

50:13 Speaker 4: So I asked you earlier, what what what do you think? So obviously you've you've done your research on this subject.

50:25 Speaker 1: Where are you now? Where am I now?

50:28 Speaker 4: I'm in in this in this subject? Where where is your headspace with this?

50:32 Speaker 1: He's not a podcast, Come on here.

50:37 Speaker 2: I was going to make the joke I'm in framing him. But I think that we're dealing with a much more complex I used to think that it was all aliens, right, it was all beings from other planets now coming here.

51:00 Speaker 1: You know, And and I think this is flat and it's run by reptilians a little bit more every day.

51:06 Speaker 2: Man, But you know it's weird. You know it's weird. I was in the UN Building. I don't know if you've ever if you've ever been there, but in the UN building hangs a flat Earth map.

51:20 Speaker 6: Yeah.

51:21 Speaker 1: Wild. Also the I believe the picture of it the other day.

51:26 Speaker 2: It sparked it.

51:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe the map on the Air Force one as well as a fat earth map.

51:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all essentially flat earth maps.

51:39 Speaker 1: And a weird that's on like.

51:40 Speaker 2: A logo like that tends to reflect and listen. I

51:47 Speaker 2: I I, I don't know about the flat earth thing. I don't. I don't I.

51:53 Speaker 1: Believe the way you're speaking. We have a T ship for you. Yeah, definitely have a T ship for you. And it feels like you should be wearing that flat earther How much is it? I'm not sure.

52:14 Speaker 2: Shall buy that right now?

52:16 Speaker 1: Reasonabok they are?

52:19 Speaker 2: You know you got a great You've got a great audience too. See I go.

52:24 Speaker 5: On the medication today.

52:25 Speaker 1: I'm I might.

52:26 Speaker 2: Shadow band on YouTube for some reason.

52:29 Speaker 1: My podcast.

52:30 Speaker 2: My podcast has an average one hundred thousand listeners average, so you know, I'm not I'm not trying to brand. But on YouTube, ickup barely cracked six heighter views. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah?

52:46 Speaker 5: Oh hey, man, I mean, you know our audio, we're we're getting like two hundred so yeah, no, just two hundred thousand.

52:58 Speaker 2: Backwards.

52:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, one less than two hundred and one, one more than one hundred and ninety nine.

53:02 Speaker 2: So we should come together, scissor.

53:05 Speaker 5: I don't think we can do that, or at least not without an OnlyFans.

53:11 Speaker 2: No, but back to it, guys, that's that was a fucking amazing joke. By the way, where I'm at now is I just think there's so much more going on, and I think that that, Like I said, it's kind of like this notion that you know, the big the big reveal. Right when we when we're young, we look up to our parents and any adult honestly, and we say they know everything. They know everything because they're an adult, so they know everything. Right. It's not until a little bit later in life that we realize that our parents they're just fucking people and they're winging it day by day, just like Joe Dick in the head read down the street, just like Tom Sally and Joe over on the block, just like everybody is so right.

54:08 Speaker 2: It's it's this big secret. It's the same thing with the world that we're taught it's black and white. It's not right. Yeah, Like we're taught that this desk is real. I can see it, I can feel it, right, And and what we can see touch and feels, that's what's real, right, Science is real right because we can we can test, we can test it, we can measure it, we can yahda yaha ya Okay, I get that. But I'm seeing a lot more gray now than I ever have before. Is that's where I am.

54:53 Speaker 5: Right, That's the healthy place to be. That's the natural evolution of logic. That logic was never meant to those who believe themselves to be better and have made upon initials to put behind their name because they hang out for a really long time at school with a bunch of really old people, and how they get the grades that are very questionable depending on chess size, bus size, and willingness to humiliate themselves. So why would we put ourselves under the judgment of them instead of question it for ourselves.

55:21 Speaker 5: And again, it's another trick that's been played, right, it's a trick that's been played on the populace that they are better and more intelligent than you. You should listen to them because they speak loudly. If you tell a lie loud enough, long enough, it becomes the truth. And that has been mastered, and the masses have been fold into believing that they are less than they are when the realities people are intelligent and capable and competent, and they can judge for themselves, and they should.

55:46 Speaker 5: They should be given the evidence and not just the word of strangers on TV that we don't know their background, especially when you find out that they dress up like a dog and beat other people with steel dildos and they hold lectures on it, and they like to steal women's clothing from airports. Like, that's not the person you put in charge of nuclear security.

56:03 Speaker 1: Of waste, you know what?

56:04 Speaker 2: I like.

56:05 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we should have even made more aware of that before this was going on.

56:10 Speaker 2: Why do you think why do you think the Epstein list didn't come out?

56:14 Speaker 1: Who never heard of him?

56:15 Speaker 2: Yeah? Why do you think that? Why do you think we'll never know who p did he had information on?

56:23 Speaker 1: I think we do know.

56:24 Speaker 5: I think we do know he he had it on. I guarantee it with someone at federal and government levels as quickly as those charges disappeared, right right, Yeah, I think we could run that to the top of Homeland Security and the FBI and see the people who are directly Like who's the American Attorney General for Southern Florida, who was in charge of that? Who made that go away?

56:42 Speaker 1: Oh? You used to go to Ditty's parties? Cool?

56:44 Speaker 5: Can we see your cell phone?

56:46 Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, right, So Julian Dorry. I don't know if you guys know Julian.

56:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, heard of him?

56:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So he's not like a friend of mine. We've conversed here and there. But someone made a remark to him almost seven to eight years ago and it was like and he kind of like brushed it off, and it was like, if you get invited to a P Diddy party, don't go, And like he just was like what they just moved on?

57:21 Speaker 1: Right?

57:21 Speaker 2: He didn't know what it meant. Hindsight being twenty twenty, right, fucking I mean, that's weird. Now. Think about and anyone worth their salt in the intelligence world will tell you that if you find one mole, there's at least two more at least so P Diddy getting caught, I mean a man, there's probably people like P Diddy who have you know, the sex. You know, the walls, the double mirrors, that kind of ship. You know, the there's probably one of the three or five of those in every major industry, right, big Pharma, big, big, big Tech, Hollywood, definitely Hollywood.

58:13 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question about it. So I left just any major industry, right, there's there's you got your honeypots, and there's people. That's what we've done.

58:28 Speaker 1: So the question then is is the question then has to be why I understand like the I mean, I think we know the answer power of a hypothetical, but it makes sense obviously, like it. I don't care whether you are like the Kremlin, Mussad, whatever it is. You if you can get a president or a or a top level politician in the bag, it's worth having a

58:54 Speaker 1: a politician like that in the bag.

58:57 Speaker 5: You mean, like, thanks, boyfriend, the Chinese affirmed agent Feng Fang, who is dating a United States congressman and a mayor and a couple other people.

59:08 Speaker 1: Getting bang bang. But this is why this control system hamed. But this is where this control system is much bigger than that. Because that's fine, Like the idea of corrupt politicians brilliant, Yeah, so why but why are we doing it with the entertainment industry then why, like because I mean, I I'm not alleging anything.

59:27 Speaker 5: It makes sense, Bro, they're the idols. You have to control the idol.

59:30 Speaker 2: They Yeah, they are the new gods. If you want to talk about gods, I mean, look at the way people fucking like literally, I mean, right, yeah, look at in Sync. I know this is like a throwback, right, but I mean you could say about Justin Bieber, like the the amount of people that would lose their goddamn minds when that guy was just maybe an a one hundred to two hundred yards of them.

1:00:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we'll look look at the videos of the Beatles and stuff for that right insane.

1:00:07 Speaker 2: Look going bananas. So celebrities are the new I mean, and now we see it yearning over into politics. Everything's going back into politics. And it's I mean, our fathers and their fathers politics was never in politics, stayed in politics, correct, And if it wasn't in politics, it would be backroom conversations that you're having, And it wasn't. It didn't come out into the into the world. Right.

1:00:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, before we non surgically transition to a different topic, something that I find we should definitely look at and at least have an intellectual thought about, right, a little little gaming up there.

1:00:52 Speaker 1: I agree with you.

1:00:53 Speaker 5: I think that the golden idols that are put out that are celebrities, and they are groomed for that, so they have influence well than fame. But just like we were saying before, there's always something above that's pulling those strings. And if you're one of these uber celebrities, who you're unto yourself, this little kingdom right of getting worshiped and you know, adored by the masses. Money's thorn at you, everything's thrown at you. M how do they wrangle them into Maria Brahmovinch's spirit cooking parties?

1:01:19 Speaker 5: And they look so unhappy about being there, but they're all there. They're all toeing the line. They're all eating the blood and seamen cake, you know what I mean, as she as they bow and kiss her feet, right strings?

1:01:34 Speaker 2: WHOA. I hate to say this publicly, Alex Jones, he might not be so far off.

1:01:48 Speaker 5: Uh No, I think he's just gone.

1:01:49 Speaker 2: Crazy from He's definitely way off on one issue, probably a couple, probably multiple, probably a couple. But there's a lot of ship that that guy.

1:02:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, she broke a while back.

1:02:08 Speaker 1: To the crazy thing because obviously we're not gonna we're not going to talk about that one thing that he was definitely wrong about. But what I will point out about that one thing that he was definitely wrong about is I remember that being the talk of the Internet back in old school YouTube days, and there was so many more people. There were so many more people out there saying so much more stuff about that than the twenty minutes that he talked about on a on a podcast, which and I've.

1:02:35 Speaker 2: Never seen the action happen so swiftly where every single company unanimously boot dropped it.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was a floodgate as well, because there was a load of other people went after that as well, because that's they talked. They took from from Ike to Mi Louianopolis. There was there was this big glut where the at the time social media and the Silicon Valley elites took out problematic people. It didn't matter whether they were problematic conspiracy theorists or just political commentators. They tooked the dissidents out. And that was like the worst, bleakest, boring time of X or Twitter back then.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: It's it seems strange to me that how do I talk about this in a safe way?

1:03:29 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:03:30 Speaker 1: You know what we can't on a podcast. We talked about tomorrow on a podcast. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna let ride away.

1:03:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe we can transition. I know we uh well, we've got like seventeen minutes left.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: I was literally gonna say this. We've talked about your documentary.

1:03:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Hey, before we transition, I'm keeping my penis.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. Oh my god, you don't have to cut off that.

1:04:00 Speaker 2: That joke went so far.

1:04:02 Speaker 1: Over my head that you ass that's what I don't want keep your dick and balls.

1:04:08 Speaker 2: That was fucking brilliant, man. Can you uh can you give me? Give me twenty seconds? I just want to grab my notebook that has all the notes.

1:04:18 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, would you guys do this weekend?

1:04:21 Speaker 2: I thought it was in the two notebooks.

1:04:24 Speaker 1: Tried one of all these dildos? Yeah? How do they taste delicious? I've got mine on order.

1:04:33 Speaker 5: I made some hot sauce and got it taste tested at a party.

1:04:37 Speaker 1: How did that go? They love it? I wish I could send you guys a couple of bottles. Oh yeah, I love I think would get it stopped though. Oh I made jerky for the first time.

1:04:49 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, you got callouses?

1:04:51 Speaker 1: Are you still good? You a little bit? I've had caluses for ages. It's fine, but no, it was a roaring success.

1:05:00 Speaker 4: It's what when you said you made jerky, looks of pounds to make it.

1:05:04 Speaker 5: I have to do this yourate meat.

1:05:09 Speaker 1: Oh, I like you.

1:05:11 Speaker 5: What's going on in your country? Do you guys have robot brothels too.

1:05:15 Speaker 1: Well? Yet? Fucking we deserve to be judged. It wasn't prepared for that. I was just talking about robot brothels.

1:05:27 Speaker 2: I've never been good good I heard that fun I think.

1:05:35 Speaker 1: I think we deserve to be judged.

1:05:37 Speaker 5: And it is the downfall of humanity that they have robot like we're taking jobs from prostitutes.

1:05:44 Speaker 1: I didn't see AI doing that. I never call that one prostitute. What Dave's truly worried about is the fact that you can't drown a robot. You can't drown a robot prostitute. You'll get electric.

1:06:03 Speaker 2: Well, they're getting more realistic. I've seen them the China. They're trying to they're like doing like biological skin. It's creepy. But speaking of that, so there is a so my girlfriend and I we set on an adventure because so we talked about my YouTube and the disproportionality between the viewership.

1:06:34 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:06:34 Speaker 2: And so we decided that, Okay, we're going to continue putting on the podcasts out on YouTube, but why don't we use my skill set. I have enough equipment to house a small TV studio. Why don't we start doing more like boots on the ground investigation. Uh. And I was like, that's, oh my god, it's such a good idea, you know. I think that's a really good way to kind of switch things up. And I was like, I got the perfect story. I grew up five minutes from the most haunted road in New England. It is known as Dudley Road.

1:07:13 Speaker 2: Anyone can look it up, Dudley Road. It's on the border of bill Rica and Bedford, Massachusetts, and it is it's let's just say that a lot of the lore for the town it was a there was it's a big hub. It was a big hub, and there was a big battle that was fought between the natives of the land and the colonials in this habit in northern Bilrica, but it did spread. But again that's neither here nor there. It doesn't really play into the story that I'm telling. So Dudley Road, now, people from the town, this is a road that has stories passed down and you'll hear it in the trailer, passed down through generations.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: But I want to emphasize before we show the trailer that at the time that this trailer was created, it was at the time a YouTube video that we were doing. By happenstance, we ended up on a tour that brought us from Dudley Road to Salem, Massachusetts and the witch trials, and then the witches and medium in Salem told us that my story ended in Bridgewater. The fuck does that mean? I was like, what's in Bridgewater? Lo, and behold, there's something called the Bridgewater Triangle. Right, So this thing just grew and all of a sudden it went from a YouTube short film to a legitimate feature film.

1:09:04 Speaker 2: We don't have a official trailer for the movie, but what we're gonna show you is the what I I'm now calling just it's a teaser. It just shows you a little bit into the larger picture. So do you mind if I just throw that out now?

1:09:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

1:09:23 Speaker 2: Actually you would have to add it. Yeah, Dudley Road boats a rich history with tales dating back centuries. It's not just it's colonial charm that draws attention. It's the stories whispered in hoss tones, passed down through generations. That's not all.

1:10:25 Speaker 1: M hm.

1:10:35 Speaker 2: Hm now again cool uh yeah, now again it said coming this October, that is not the case anymore. And the so we've renamed the project Cursed Echoes. Beyond the veil, we have found some just I mean the amount I don't want to spoil too much of it, but the amount of of connections between Burrica and Salem. Uh and the witch trials. I mean everyone knows about the Salem with trials, right yeah, all right, well the Queen of Witches. Now in the documentary that in the trailer, that trailer, there there are some stone anomalies that I show.

1:11:33 Speaker 2: Those are the stone anomalies that are in the woods where these So the legend of Dudley Road is a group of nuns. We're practicing witchcraft. There's a convent on Dudley Road. Now the convent, it's shrouded in mystery, to say the least. But the witches, the nuns were caught having practiced witch craft now in the sixteenth century, not only being a woman of God. But this is like the highest of treason that you can commit, right, is witchcraft, because not only are you betraying God, but you're I mean you're using dark magic right and potentially drawing from demonic power instead.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: So you could see that this would be an ultimate treasonous act of a nun. So the nuns were hanged out on the you see in the document in the trailer there's a tree that's allegedly where they were hanged. They now haunt the road. I have dozens of witnesses myself included, that have seen experienced weird shit on the road, from orbs of light to full body apparitions to your car just dying. It's spooky as hell. The further we dug into Dudley Road, turns out that Dudley Road Thomas Dudley his family.

1:13:13 Speaker 2: If you chain it all the way up or chain it all the way back, I should say they are the Pickmans. The Pickmans got rich in Salem off of the boating industry. Now funny story about the boating industry in Salem. Salem was the second largest port out of outside of Boston, so Blackbeard's apprentice was trained out of Salem. A lot of high profile pirates came out of Salem, so they used to employ the witches after building a new ship. In witches, we use with air quotes because it was more like if we were to say it now, it'd be more holistic, right, blessings herbal you know that kind of stuff, Like if anyone's been to Salem, you know what I'm talking about.

1:14:09 Speaker 2: It's the witchcraft that's presented to you there now. And it's ironic that you know, now it's a town where it's the exact opposite. It's celebrated, right. But the Pickman's got their wealth from the shipping industry. They were builders, shipbuilders, and they would often employ witches quote unquote again to come and bless their ships for pillage and plunder. It wasn't until later that they turned on the witches for greed and other circumstances. That'scessaria being one of them. Mostly power and greed.

1:14:53 Speaker 2: What I'm getting at is it seems that the le and is what is holding the atrocities committed by man, corruption, greed, that yearning for power creates some sort of resonance in the land. Now, I think we're dealing with some sort of cursed echo. And that's where I get my idea for like a ghost, because many of the people that I talk to in Salem, in Bridgewater and on Dubley Road have seen a lady in white or people in colonial era clothing. Why is this so? Are we just seeing beyond the veil some sort of uh, you know, it's not that the the

1:15:56 Speaker 2: you know, the ghost we can interact with, right, It's it's an echo of the past, held there by the land and held there by the atrocities by man that that you know, uh, allowed us to be corrupted in the first place. Right. We trace all of that back, you know, we trace it back to the garden, right, the serpent in the garden corrupted mankind.

1:16:24 Speaker 1: Right.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: So this story that we're telling it just it really dives deep into that and into this idea of witchcraft. The devil. You saw the altar I was talking about that it's built into the side of a hill, looks like a doorway into another world, has gemstones built into the top of it, and I mean it's clearly made. Oh and by the way, Thomas Dudley the road is named after him. It's also a state protected reservation, so they can't alter the anything, right, they can't tear anything down. They can't. It's really odd, and I really I don't want to spoil because if I keep going, I'm gonna spoil a lot of the kind of alluring mystery to it.

1:17:24 Speaker 2: But I think I found where the nuns were practicing witchcraft that alter. At the bottom it says drink from the fountain in some language that we had to trans the I don't know exactly what language is off the top of my head, but at the base of it, it says drink from the fountain. And anyone familiar with alchemy will know that the upside down triangle is the simp or symbol for water UFOs paranormal what. There's a big, big commonality bodies of water, right, the Bridgewater triangle. It is literally the center of it is a body of water.

1:18:18 Speaker 2: The hawk a mock swamp. Right. Why did the witches tell me that my story ended there? I'll tell you why. It's in the movie.

1:18:30 Speaker 1: I can't go.

1:18:31 Speaker 2: I can't go much further than that without spoiling everything.

1:18:37 Speaker 2: We don't it'll be out before the end of the year, right, October is just not reasonable at this point.

1:18:46 Speaker 4: But where can our people find it?

1:18:49 Speaker 2: If subscribe on YouTube, I'm sharing all updates there no matter what, it will go out on YouTube, but it might be behind a member paywall. I'm also in talks right now with t B right, so that's what we're hoping for. But we're also gonna anyone who's local to New England. We're gonna do a premiere, so uh, get in contact with me my emails tie at Total Disclosure no tie dot Total Disclosure at gmail dot com, or just message me at Disclosure Pod on Twitter. The official trailer will make its debut in October, and I got a bunch of great people working with me.

1:19:37 Speaker 2: We're actually doing a reshoot this Friday, and let's it's safe. So I have a nun outfit that we got uh and we're gonna pay a little homage this transition.

1:19:51 Speaker 1: This is the transition. We're all waiting for it.

1:19:55 Speaker 2: My girlfriend is going to dress up as a nun and we're we have a b roll, so we have a a I kind of like, so, I we don't know the exact legend of w Road. All we know is parts of it, right, you know, is that the nuns were hanged. So basically what I did was I created my own story around it, and I added dialogue. That's how the movie opens. So when we were going to do the reshoots, we're doing one scene in specific where she's gonna be kneeling in front of that altar and she's gonna be chanting a portal open, a legitimate Anocchi Latin spell, a portal opening spell, and we are going to dump fake blood on her and pay homage to carry.

1:20:48 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be fake. I know a guy, it's like gallons. Yeah, no questions.

1:20:56 Speaker 2: We've a really really hard at work on this and the final like that little he's there. I I wish that never got out there because what I just I I didn't have the scope. But like I said, I I think I was led down a path because what I experienced in the Bridgewater Triangle made me a believer. And it's on a camera.

1:21:29 Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna watch. I'm down. I'm sold.

1:21:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a two parts, It's gonna be two parts. First part will be the the Dudley Salem, second part will be Bridgewater, and they will together. It'll be about three and a half hours.

1:21:48 Speaker 1: Nice.

1:21:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why. Yeah, that's that's why. And then I'm I'm just I just want to tease this. The reason I pulled back and I'm working so much harder on this movie is because Philip Mantle and Irena Scott, doctor Irena Scott, came to me with a proposition. And I'll leave it there. It's a film a film proposition. So if you type their names into Google, just just look at the work they've done together and you could probably deduce what the next project is and why. The success of the project I'm working on now kind of hinders whether I get that job right right, So now I'm putting I've I've brought two more filmmakers on.

1:22:47 Speaker 2: I want to throw a shout out to the Bridgewater Paranormal Investigators. Without them, I would not have been able to do justice to the Bridgewater segment. They brought me to all the uh the hot spots and all the witnesses I had to talk to. They facilitated a lot of that. It was amazing, But I I uh we interacted with something a lot of things.

1:23:18 Speaker 1: It's a life changing experience when something like that happens.

1:23:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't include it in my like when you asked me earlier, you know, like my I defined my two sightings as the UFO and the thing that happened with my mother. Right, everything else is as a result of me poking.

1:23:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we we, at least Leah and I had a shared experience that we will be happy to tell you about as we transition to the other show.

1:23:49 Speaker 1: Oh so people have to go over there to hear.

1:23:51 Speaker 2: It, all right? Right, all right, so how do we how you guys usually wrap this up.

1:24:00 Speaker 1: Really roughly. We don't like people give peg square peg ground hole, yeah, that type of thing. But hopefully we will will hang out again, either on this show or we'll come over to your podcast and hang out and have a chat chat about stuff as well. That'd be great too. The open, Well, what Dave was saying saying there was we we did a ghost hunt in like an abandoned prison, and the I went, I'll be dead honest. I was in as one hundred percent skeptic. I thought we were going to go in there dark and cold for eight hours and what ended up when it ended up happening was we had it in context communication from a spirit box in the room we were in, Like I thought that ship was bull Ship Blue.

1:24:53 Speaker 1: Blew my tiny mind open. So yeah, we know, we'd love to would love to tell you more about that. It's it's a shame we've got a and run so much with anyone else because we usually go a little bit longer than this on shows sometimes. But the three of us have to nip off and we're going to go and do Strange Sauna with Greg and that, so make sure you're keep an eye of the Strange Sauna. Obviously, we will be back tomorrow for our Monday evening podcast that you'll be able to listen to on Tuesday or Monday night.

1:25:23 Speaker 5: Hang out just a second with us, ty, yeah, as we roll these US credits because everyone always bums off away from us.

1:25:30 Speaker 2: No, I'm a stream yard guy, so I know perfect.

1:25:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers, guys. We will see you tomorrow because and.

1:25:39 Speaker 2: You can find by the way, just shameless plug.

1:25:43 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it absolutely go.

1:25:45 Speaker 2: Uh YouTube Total Disclosure and then on any podcast platform total just search Total Disclosure look for the red UFO, and you're in the right place. Our latest episode is up right now with Robert Alice. He was the nuclear so he had his hand on the nuclear uh key when a UFO shut down ten nukes at Melstrom Air Force Base.

1:26:14 Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys, No, thank you, buddy. Cheers guys, We'll see you, see you soon. Sh