Unveiling Ufo Secrets: Accidental Truths Revealed By Ron James!

0:09 Speaker 1: What all.

0:12 Speaker 2: Our diap I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this work. And yet I ask you, it's not an alien force already amongst.

0:24 Speaker 3: We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsolved by the military industrial contact. The potential or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.

0:57 Speaker 3: Now I am become death by or world association with Project Group, they definitely withheld information.

1:12 Speaker 4: Against shall be twere were for destiny. We're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and the truth.

1:21 Speaker 5: So help you guys.

1:21 Speaker 4: Do you believe that our government is in possessions?

1:23 Speaker 6: The METS absolutely welcome everyone too, total disclosure. I am your host Tied tonight. We have an exciting episode ahead. I'm thrilled to have you join us as we dive into the mysterious and captivating world of the UFO phenomena. Our special guest tonight is Ron James, the head of Media Relations for the Mutual UFO Network or MOFON, and the visionary director behind the groundbreaking documentary Accidental Truth UFO Revelation.

2:00 Speaker 7: With years of experience in the field.

2:02 Speaker 6: Ron has dedicated himself to uncovering the truth behind the UFO sightings and the implications they hold for humanity. As we explore the insights from his documentary and his extensive work with Muffan, prepare to have your perceptions rocked and your curiosity ignited. So sit back, relax, and let's embark on this journey into the unknown together. Welcome mister Ron James.

2:28 Speaker 7: How we do it?

2:29 Speaker 1: Great Tyler, thanks for having me on the show.

2:32 Speaker 4: A right, that's a whole lot to deliver. No pressure there.

2:37 Speaker 6: I wrote that I was like, every word and every adjective is just gonna, you know, spice this up and make him feel the pressure.

2:46 Speaker 7: But I honestly I've ever watched.

2:50 Speaker 6: Accidental Truth probably three times, two and a half, three times, and my god, what.

2:57 Speaker 7: A great film.

3:00 Speaker 6: You did, an excellent job, and you know, pots off to you and what you've done for this community with that, well.

3:08 Speaker 4: Thank you.

3:08 Speaker 1: I made in twenty twelve, I made a film called The Disclosure Dialogues and it won that It was a five disc set with very in depth interviews, but the main feature film was called It Could Happen Tomorrow, and it was about disclosure back in the Obama era, and we're going to It's still available out there on Amazon actually, but I didn't want to make another UFO film until I could really move the ball, and so when I made Accidental Truth, I set out to really convey what was happening inside of government and how we're being manipulated with this new disclosure that we're getting, and the players and what they're actually up to.

3:48 Speaker 1: And I think I laid out the case. And so if you know nothing about the UFO topic, it will enlighten you. And if you know, think you know everything about the UFO topic, I hope it surprises you. Oh yeah, Accidental Truth was probably the best best thing I've done.

4:04 Speaker 7: Well, uh, I think.

4:06 Speaker 6: I think the like you said, the amount of heavy hitters that you that are featured in the documentary just lends credence to And I loved how you use the title accidental Truths and kind of explain it right from the jump and right from the the immediate interesting and you're saying, you know, it's up to us to read between the lines, because you know, even when we get these guys in front of Congress, you know, they just say, I can't say that, I can't discuss that publicly, I'll violate my NDA. So it's like we're getting this d O D DOBS or approved disclosure.

4:45 Speaker 7: Right now, and it's up to us to read between the lines.

4:48 Speaker 4: So sometimes sometimes it's even more obvious.

4:51 Speaker 1: You know, at the recent hearings, I had a very unusual set of synchronicities, and we actually got another accidental truth out of Lou during the hearings that he did not see coming. And I've had this discussion with him because to me, it's just ironic how it happened when one of my friends ran into Eric Burrows and the night before the hearings, and it was in a social setting and he was like, well, what kind of questions should I ask you? Guys know it was Melinda Leslie and a friend of my named Ali, And so the next morning we're standing in line and he texts and he's open to hearing questions, So we actually texted in the questions that he asked Lou.

5:32 Speaker 1: And the first question that he asked about if you and I were in a classified surrounding, could you convince me of UFOs? That's paraphrased, and Lucid well, that wouldn't be my decision. And so we're in the back of the room just it's Danny, she and me, Melinda, Leslie and Ali, and she's the one.

5:51 Speaker 4: With the text. And so Linda hands Danny a note and Danny nods, and on the note it says, ask him about Lockheed of Big Low Aerospace. So that's when we texted that question to Burleson. He looked at his phone and he said, what.

6:04 Speaker 1: About materials being passed from Lockheed to Big Little Aerospace at the CIA supposedly shut down. That was us sending questions in real time in the middle of a congressional hearing.

6:15 Speaker 4: And this is not I'm not making this up.

6:17 Speaker 1: I can prove it because we have the texts and and it's it's just an amazing thing to have happened.

6:23 Speaker 4: And I joked around with Lou. I said, look, man, I went from the back of the room through a sitting congressman and I got another accidental truth out of you. And that's somewhat amusing and a little bit scary.

6:38 Speaker 6: Well so, and that's a great point to start on, I think. And by the way, that's where I met you.

6:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we met the first time.

6:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I met with Melinda and I was texting with Ali and because that's I was with Bassett and Sallas and we were in line trying to get everyone over. So not only do I know that you three were there and I can corroborate that, but I also know Eric and he told me a similar story didn't use names.

7:10 Speaker 7: So everything you just said.

7:12 Speaker 6: And by the way, so you know Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp for everything that as divisive as as they are, I guess in the community, not so much George, but Corbell. They did have him, uh Lakatski on the show and he talked about how a SAP, yeah, how all SAP did have access to a craft they breached it and that he would lie to Congress under oath.

7:44 Speaker 7: What do you what do you think about that?

7:46 Speaker 4: I think it's totally true.

7:48 Speaker 1: You know that scene in Accidental Truth where George Knap's eyes go absolutely nuts when he's side stepping the materials case.

7:54 Speaker 4: That's uh.

7:55 Speaker 1: I mean, that's worth the price of admission by itself, just to watch the film. And it's interesting because I asked George Nap if I could use that clip, and I tried to license it to you next star, and everybody said no, no, no, no no, And I actually hired a fair use attorney and used a clip anyway, And you know, I pretty much figured George was gonna cut off my head the next time he saw me. But he showed up at Alien Con and him and Jeremy and I sat at a table and had some small talk, and then he came over and bought an accidental True T shirt.

8:29 Speaker 1: So I guess that phrase is better to ask for forgiveness and permission. That's a classic example. And my hat's off to George for all the work he's doing. And Jeremy has established himself in the field by doing real, genuine work, and my hat's off to him too.

8:45 Speaker 6: So yeah, again, you know what we need in this community is is is more togetherness. We need to understand that united, we're always going to be stronger than faction. That is what they you know, quote the quote unquote Deep State or whoever's pulling the strings. Clearly they want us divided. It's in every facet of life and society, whether it's religion, race, creed. And then you get into something that you all have mutualities for and you're factionalized there.

9:24 Speaker 1: So, you know, the UFO community especially has there has been a divide and conquer attitude among people that have infiltrated the groups. And you know there's people out there that say, oh, well, MoveOn's infiltrated. Well, you know, yeah, probably. I mean, are there people keeping an eye on what mofon does from the deep programs? Of course there are. But is there anything bad about that? Probably not, because it's to be expected. If they weren't watching what we're doing and hacking our database and doing all these other things, Uh, then we wouldn't be interesting.

9:56 Speaker 4: We wouldn't be doing our job.

9:59 Speaker 6: And you probably would and be doing the So if you're being tracked and monitored, you're probably on the right track.

10:06 Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, that's that's what I think. You know, I think the days of you know, they're going to kill you if you if you find out the secrets. I mean, look, we already know the secrets. I spilled the beans in accidental truth. I'm going to spill the beans even more in the sequel, which is coming out in the spring, and we're.

10:22 Speaker 4: All spilling the beans.

10:23 Speaker 1: We all know what's going on, and they can't even deny it. I mean the Pentagon officially is still denying it. Susan Guff is the spokesperson, and she that she comes out and just rolls out these denials, and I mean it's laughable what she does. But they can't deny it anymore. And at some point they're going to quit trying.

10:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's kind of criminal in a way. It's because if we find out, you know, God God forbid in the next you know, one to three years, that not only do they have this technology, but they've had the ability for you know, free energy, chores to disease. You know, I lost my mom to cancer. You know, in twenty twenty one. You know, there are going to be things that have to be answered for, and it's not going to get easier the longer you wait, it's going to get harder. So that's why I believe that they are.

11:25 Speaker 6: That's at least one facet to why I think some sort of controlled disclosure is in fact underway.

11:33 Speaker 7: It is now, but.

11:35 Speaker 1: There's so much to it, Tyler. It's like it's a really complicated topic and what's going on in Washington, DC. You know, I work with Danny Sheen and in the New Paradigm Institute and them and move on. We're starting to cooperate.

11:49 Speaker 4: In the name of that kind of cooperation that you talked about.

11:52 Speaker 1: We did a press conference right after the hearing and announced to the world that there was going to be some ways that we find to cross paths and help each other. And so I hope it sets the stage for a united UFO community so that we can because there's strengthened numbers and if we're if we're in fighting, we're not uniting and we're not getting the job done.

12:11 Speaker 4: We're just bickering.

12:12 Speaker 1: And so you know, for me, that's that's just totally counterproductive. And so I've you know, I've done what I can, uh but by do by taking on the job as Moufon's media relations director, I've done a lot of work to help them with with inside the organization, the way we face the public, what we offer, how we do it, and then also you know, outreach to other groups, in cooperation with other groups.

12:37 Speaker 4: To bring us all together.

12:39 Speaker 1: And so people have their opinions about Moufons certainly, but you know, it's a it's a new organization and we're still the biggest and the oldest and we're doing the most work with the most members.

12:50 Speaker 4: And the most resources. So I know why I went on, We're going to talk about that later, but and we can.

12:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, so, well, let's I want to ask with with with recent congressional hearings and whistleblowers stepping forward, do you believe that we're closer to a full UFO disclosure.

13:15 Speaker 1: I believe we're never going to get the entire truth laid out in a book like that we can prove the.

13:23 Speaker 4: Problem is it's multifaceted.

13:26 Speaker 1: And I'm not the only one to speak on this, and it might even be old news, but we're dealing with a situation where, you know, these guys did some illegal stuff, and they did some things that were bordering on a crime against humanity. The way they sequestered this technology, pourted it off to private industry, and capitalized on it at the expense of humanity. You know, a lot of these discoveries could have changed everything. And so when they decided to implement this secrecy, the people that got control of that secret it did some pretty bad things to keep it.

13:58 Speaker 1: People were killed, all kinds of things happen, and they can never ever take accountability for that. And so the next best thing is is to whitewash it and come out with this whole thing. In twenty seventeen, which in Accidental Truth, which people can see for free now on Amazon and YouTube and stuff, we showed how they did this and basically created a whole new narrative that wiped out the whole past of the UFO cover up and made it seem like it's this new thing. And that's how they can absolve themselves of the sins of the past and still come out and close that we're not alone and they're running out of time if they don't do it.

14:41 Speaker 1: You know, sooner or later, SpaceX is going to land on Mars and right on top of the pyramid or whatever. The web telescope is supposedly seeing lights on distant planets. They can't hide it much longer because technology is making it impossible to conceal.

15:00 Speaker 6: Have wondered, if you know, you bring up the James Web Space telescope, something that's been thrown around a lot lately, is could it when it came online? Did they see something or confirm something? And that is kind of why, like something's heading our way and they know, you know, due to calculations of trajectory just the same way they would do it with an asteroid, you know, the minute it will arrive, So they have until X time to get us prepared. Do you think that could be possible. I'm not saying that rumor was.

15:38 Speaker 1: Going around a few months ago. And there's there's all kinds of rumors about the web telescope. There's all kinds of rumors about impending events. They usually don't track. And I do have the ability to ask these questions inside of DC and inside of the intelligence community and get some sort of neither confirmed or does deny answers, and and those pretty much have not happened. Now, detecting signals and detecting lights and things like that, it's only a matter of time until that telescope shows us something definitive.

16:12 Speaker 1: They've already found planets that have chemical signs of life. You know, they found life on Mars in nineteen seventy six, and they changed the parameters of the test to make it so that it it wasn't considered life. And the guy that designed the test, to this day, his name's Gil. I can't remember his last name, but to this day he is crusading to have those tests certified. So, and you know, NASA's got a huge track record of covering stuff up. And when I was in DC, I was let in on some other weird things that seemed to be happening at NASA.

16:47 Speaker 4: They're redoing the.

16:48 Speaker 1: Library, and there's a rumor that there's a lot of stuff that's going in the trash and so, you know, being destroyed, hard drives and documents being destroyed as the redo this library, which could be perfectly logical, it's just stuff they don't need anymore. But there's other people that think there's something nefarious about destroying anything that's part of NASA's records.

17:13 Speaker 6: Especially when you have critical moments that shows something weird and then the footage is just mysteriously disappears, or that one section is cut out and that's the only part that's gone, is the one part that is being requested, right.

17:33 Speaker 7: It starts to make you wonder, Yeah.

17:36 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it makes you wonder who's that familiar with the records that they can do that in the first place, and and how are they doing it? Because these poor guys at JPL, you know, I've I've met some of them, I've been there and they when like when Curiosity landed on Mars and they were there and that you know, they're celebrating because the whole landing thing worked. These people genuinely believe they're getting those images straight from Mars. They they they if you tell them that those images and those feeds are being intercepted by private industry people whose job it is to filter out anything that that could be be deemed to be classified, that they'd laugh at you, to be like that, that's not true, that's not happening, But of course it is.

18:16 Speaker 1: And and we've been able to establish that over time that there are you know, the whole method of delivering these images is put through what is most certainly a clandestine third party whose job it is to edit it. And so there are folks that think they're really doing something and you know, best of intentions, but I'm not sure they're doing We.

18:39 Speaker 6: Know, we know that they recently got caught that that the all the pictures of Mars are intentionally like turned more orange.

18:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know that has has something of an atmosphere and and and often resembles blue sky.

19:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I thought that was pretty telling. So and if they were if they're willing to do that, you know, what else are they willing to do? And I think that's the question that everybody should ask.

19:15 Speaker 1: You know, it's been going on forever and I don't know you were at the hearing when when mister Gold was talking about NASA, and people tell me that this shows up on the replay when when mister from c Span when mister Gold was talking about NASA and he said it's the most transparent organization and all this kind of stuff. If you heard that breakout laugh in the back of the room, that was me. I couldn't contain myself and everybody turned.

19:40 Speaker 8: Around, but I just like, I just remember it was.

19:46 Speaker 4: It was the craziest, stupidest thing I ever heard.

19:49 Speaker 7: Yeah, oh my god.

19:54 Speaker 4: I couldn't contain myself.

19:55 Speaker 1: So at those hearings I became part of history in two different ways.

19:58 Speaker 4: It's just a question. And I personally added to the soundtrack.

20:03 Speaker 6: Well that moment that yeah, that that that was like I said, it was that moment. That question, to lou Is is what I was begging to be asked. And I mean, I'm so glad it got through because it it it humbles me.

20:19 Speaker 7: But nonetheless so.

20:22 Speaker 1: Here's what's cool about that. He didn't mean to acknowledge that, you know, I mean, it's like I'm not I've never played gotcha with these guys.

20:31 Speaker 4: You know.

20:31 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not that guy that's trying to get them to misspeak. I'm just good at asking questions. And and you know it, when my first interview was Lou, he accidentally admitted quite a bit that's in the film that he still hasn't admitted publicly, and it's been a couple of years since we did it. But you know, it's to say it's it's the same thing with the with the Bigelow thing. We all know what was really going on at Bigelow Aerospace and and we know where the materials was. We know locked had it, but he did not mean to reveal that.

21:03 Speaker 1: It was just like because he tried to walk it back a little bit later. And you know, it's not like I've talked to Lou about this. Him and I do have communication and so it's not like we're at odds. But we definitely got him with that one.

21:17 Speaker 6: And I think that's our job, and someone like someone like him should knows that. I mean, listen, you come lou I mean, you have a counter intelligence background. It's our job to get you to slip up if we want any information.

21:33 Speaker 1: So look, lou Is, in my opinion, and he has not denied this. He's still doing his role in this, and it's a predetermined role, being governed by the puppet masters. And he's doing his job, and he considers that to be a thing of integrity and a thing of honor and duty to the to the service that he serves. And what can you say about that? You know, It's like in the first section of Accidental Truth, I'm talking about you know, Hey, I'm interviewing guys that have interrogated terrorists, and all I can think about is getting him to tell me something they don't want me to know.

22:06 Speaker 1: It's a war, you know. And at first I was really resentful of these people. You know, and you have probably experienced this. You know what it's like to sit in a room you're five feet away from a guy who knows the stuff that you've been fighting your whole life to find out and share and.

22:25 Speaker 4: He's not going to tell you.

22:27 Speaker 1: And and you know, there's a certain amount of frustration that comes with that. But over time, Tyler in making the film and getting to know these people and understanding the position that they're in.

22:39 Speaker 4: I don't have that anger and resentment anymore. I have.

22:42 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect and I feel sorry for them in so many ways because they're trapped.

22:49 Speaker 7: Right, burdened with knowledge.

22:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the next Accidental Truth movie we're talking about it, I call them the men in a Box because they're in a box. James Fox and the and his new film kind of touches on it with how put off?

23:02 Speaker 4: How you know?

23:03 Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do? You know, I can't unless I can come, unless I can land the craft on the White House lawn. I can't go tell people everything I know because they'll just deny it and then they'll destroy me for doing it. And so can you imagine what that's like to that to live your life with these things that you can't tell anybody. You can't tell your wife, you can't tell your girlfriend, you can't tell the public, and and and that's that. That's your So you really are your craft, and it's it's not a comfortable place to be loose as that in my movie.

23:36 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't imagine being a puppet for something bigger you know, regardless whether it's it's dignity, dignity or you know your your your duty to nation uh and your pride and your nationality or you know, nationalism that drives you, or the safety of others, whatever drives you.

23:59 Speaker 7: I mean, does that outweigh the information?

24:03 Speaker 8: Is that?

24:04 Speaker 6: I mean, where do we cross the line? What crosses the line, and what is ultimately too much? And I think I think it's gone too far and I think it's a little bit too much.

24:16 Speaker 7: Now, well, you know, I.

24:17 Speaker 1: Made an observation and I'll share it with you and you can tell me what you think. Remember when this was first unfolding and we had the first hearings and Marco Rubio was a very very outspoken guy on this topic. But then something happened, And I've got this theory that says it's a lot easier to get somebody to agree to keep a secret because they understand why it has to be a secret than it is to force somebody to keep a secret if they don't agree that it should be kept.

24:47 Speaker 4: Are you with me so far?

24:48 Speaker 7: Absolutely?

24:50 Speaker 4: So here's Rubio, I mean, he was the crusader for UFO secrecy. Then we have these hearings.

24:54 Speaker 1: Then we have that classified briefing and he comes out and he almost never spoke about it again. And that's very, very telling to me because I think that there's a there's a lot of reasons why this is being kept from humanity, but some of them are existential and and when you understand that that it really it's going to affect the way we perceive our own reality. It's going to change everything if we understand what's the total of what's happening, and it's literally very scary and it will disrupt civilization as we know it.

25:32 Speaker 6: So, but do you think it would like because what they I feel like, what they think and how they justify it. By they, I mean the people in this program or these programs. Do you really think it would be catastrophic in the fact that or would it just be a weekend where everyone like just take take the weekend off world and come to grips with the new reality.

25:56 Speaker 1: Uh, it's gonna it's gonna be worse than that, because you know, even if there I'm not saying that there's a threat from non human intelligence directly threatening humanity. I'm saying that their existence and the other information that comes with us understanding what they are and where they come from is something that is going to make every single person on this planet have to rethink everything. And it goes all the way from you know, spirituality and all the different ways that we perceive non human intelligence through traditional religion, all the way to the fact that we are absolutely helpless to whatever these things want from us, to the fact that our reality is not what we think it is.

26:39 Speaker 4: We are not what we think we are.

26:42 Speaker 1: And that's where it just falls into a whole deep chasm that people are not easily going to be able to just get out of.

26:55 Speaker 6: And that's what's you know, I guess I do feel that, and I do understand that there are people in this world that, no matter what, they're just going to want to pretend that this is demonic or it's it's bad and you know, it's the end of the world and whatever.

27:14 Speaker 1: Well, there is that angle of people, and you know, lou talks about how he ran into that in the Pentagon and there was you know, a lot of opposition.

27:23 Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Every time I get in these these.

27:27 Speaker 1: Discussions with people that are you know, traditionally religious, it just insists it's demons and angels and that's it, and there's no aliens. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, look, I am willing to acknowledge to you that what you're saying is quite possible, even probable, But the fact that you say it is an exclusive answer to this is not at all logical or fair in this conversation. So the people that have that belief, I choose not to challenge them for having that belief. But what I do challenge him for is not being willing to look at the fact that there's probably more to it as well.

28:07 Speaker 6: And that's the thing we need to realize is that I do think that's absolutely right we're dealing with there.

28:15 Speaker 7: You know, there's a reason we call it the phenomena. It's it's multiple, it's not just one thing, and.

28:22 Speaker 6: You can't just categorize it into this box and say, yep, you know this is what we got going on. It's the U and UFO it means unidentified, right, But people jump to the little green man or the classic great alien and they try to rationalize it in their head and.

28:41 Speaker 7: And look at it through a human lens. I think that's our problem.

28:46 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you almost had it right there, Tyler, because the the U and UFO is you and that's that's that that is the key to the puzzle.

28:59 Speaker 7: So are you talking about consciousness or.

29:02 Speaker 4: Talking about consciousness? Nature of reality?

29:04 Speaker 1: Could subjective reality versus consensus reality?

29:08 Speaker 4: Right? Perceptions?

29:09 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not about gray men from Andromeda or whatever you want to say. It's not about The argument is not about rather they're from Zeta reticular, or they live inside the Earth or their interdimensional those are we're asking the wrong questions. The right question is what is this telling us about our overall existence? And that is you know, in some ways, if the only purpose they're serving in our reality is to open our eyes to this, then that might be enough.

29:45 Speaker 6: Well, during the making of the documentary Accidental Truths, you know, were there any interviews or say, pieces of evidence that you know completely changed your perspective on UFOs and who have or pilots them?

30:03 Speaker 1: No, not really, because I've always kind of had my own perceptions about what it is. Now did I get confirmation that, you know, obviously this stuff is real.

30:13 Speaker 9: Uh.

30:14 Speaker 4: The thing that's the hardest about doing this is you're undoubtedly.

30:17 Speaker 1: Pulled aside off camera and told things that you can't say say you know, and it's like, it's frustrating because I'm not going to play that game. If you're gonna tell me something, especially if I got a fair and square it's my job, it's move On's job to share it with the world. So don't pull me into a corner and ask me to become part of your cover up. I'm not doing it. So but you know that being said, yeah, I've been told some things and I've tried to share them as much as I can. There are situations where you know, you can't say somebody told you that because you might get them in trouble.

30:52 Speaker 1: But I would say the biggest thing that happened to the making of Accidental Truth was the absolute confirmation. You know, you start you start meering down a path wonder with an open mind about where it takes you, and it inevitably takes you to these places where you were right all along. And so the confirmation of this stuff was the biggest right.

31:16 Speaker 7: And that I really did love the Did you edit the film as well?

31:23 Speaker 1: You know that if you look at a lot of movies there there's credits at the end, there's like me in a couple of most everybody else was executive producers.

31:31 Speaker 4: They didn't do anything except watch it and get me feedback.

31:34 Speaker 1: So it was me and a couple guys that helped me animate it from Ukraine and a couple camera assistance. But yeah, I went around. I got all the interviews. I travel all over for years collecting them. I wrote the movie, I edited the movie. I did the special effects, I did the music. I did the sound it can music mostly, but I did everything. I did the whole thing wow, completely by myself.

31:56 Speaker 6: Because I really liked the editing style. I like, I really enjoyed the flow of the movie. You know, first act, second act, third act, crescendos.

32:08 Speaker 7: You know, a twist.

32:09 Speaker 6: Uh, you know, it had all it had everything that a film should have. And I was really, really I was surprised because going in, you know, someone working with Mofon, you know you're you're you're kind of expecting one thing. So did your role at mofon or does your role at Moufon limit you in any way when filmmaking or does it help you? No?

32:36 Speaker 1: You know, the way I got into the whole Movefon thing was I started moof on television and I did that as a co venture with Mofon. It came forth from a conversation I had with himI Maussan.

32:48 Speaker 4: I was backstage. Paula Harris hired.

32:50 Speaker 1: Me to m C one of her Nevada conferences, and so I was the host and we were backstage and the former director of Moufon and Himie was sitting there and himI had a laptop and he was streaming Paula's conference to Mexico and he said something to the director and he says.

33:08 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you guys should do something like this.

33:10 Speaker 1: And he says, I have a whole online TV channel down in Mexico.

33:14 Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, you guys should do something like that.

33:16 Speaker 10: So I went upstairs and I registered mof on Television dot com and I'm negotiating a joint venture and now we have mouf On TV, which is I own half of it and move On owns half of it.

33:28 Speaker 4: And then when leadership changed, they offered me the official role as media relations director, and so I get to work on all the shows because I'm the guy if you want.

33:39 Speaker 1: To use moufon footage or you're looking for somebody inside of mofon to interview you then the people from ancient Aliens. The proof is out there, the unexplained. I work with all these people to make that.

33:49 Speaker 4: Happen so fail. Yeah, so it's really cool.

33:52 Speaker 1: I get to do all the contracts and I get to be behind the scenes on all these shows and that's really exciting. But yeah, but I did actually truth, you know, if they call it in a tour, I did. I literally did everything.

34:05 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like I said, it was. It blew me away.

34:08 Speaker 6: And it's it's just how much information is given and you know, a limited timeframe because a documentary is a documentary, right, you only have you know, so much time where you can deliver on and as the amount of information you packed into it was that was amazing.

34:29 Speaker 4: You know.

34:29 Speaker 1: It's a real challenge to do that because we're dealing with two different factors at play in modern productions. Is like, first,

34:38 Speaker 1: we have short attention span theater. Half the audience can't pay attention to something more than a.

34:42 Speaker 4: Couple of minutes.

34:43 Speaker 1: And like, you know, I had that thing where every once in a while it would just cut to black and there'd be a little ding like from Law and Order or something. I had to put that in to break up the film and just give people just a second to absorb what they just watched, because without it, it just flowed into things, the thing, the thing. It just didn't give you a chance to cat at your breath, and so I've been criticized for that. I don't know if I'm using it exactly the same in the new one, but when there's a poignant moment, you just have to That's what I came up with, to let it sink in, Because you're right, the film unfolds a lot.

35:16 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something, the more you watch it, the more layers it has to it.

35:21 Speaker 6: That's why I found myself in rewatch going, Oh I didn't pick up on that last time.

35:27 Speaker 7: Oh I didn't see that. I didn't.

35:30 Speaker 6: Oh wow, that's very similar to something I just saw in a newer documentary. That's weird, you know. So I was making those those those connections. But I guess what what what first kind of sparked your interest in this? Everyone gets into the UFO world by some some category, you know, some event, whether it's a sighting or.

35:57 Speaker 7: You know, something weird happening. How did how did that happened?

36:00 Speaker 6: For you?

36:01 Speaker 4: Well?

36:01 Speaker 1: I'd always been kind of into the topic. You know, one more thing before I answer this question. Accidental Truth won twenty eight Film Festival awards. It's a record twenty eight actual awards, and it just stokes me that it did that. And now it's free. Anybody that wants to watch it can see it and work on the sequel. I invite everybody. It's free with Prime Now. YouTube Movies and TV picked it up and you can watch to be has it and you know, they pay decently, so it's like you can watch it for free and I still get a little something out of it.

36:36 Speaker 1: So you know, I encourage people, if you don't want to rent it for two or three blocks, to go watch it free.

36:42 Speaker 4: But please watch it because it really was groundbreaking.

36:45 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.

36:47 Speaker 1: Back to that question, and I'm glad you asked. I was always like an armchair guy. I was watching the shows on TV that i've Chariots of the Gods was one of the movies that shaped me is as a youngster. And I was in Sedona and I had Sedona Media Company, and I was just cranking out material, doing DVDs about New age stuff and conscious media and things like that. I had a studio there and Steve Bassett rolled into town. This was a circa two thousand and seven, maybe two thousand and six, and I met him and I interviewed him, and when he found out that I had a company that did live streaming and stuff like that, he asked me if i'd be interested in helping him with his ex conference.

37:33 Speaker 4: So that's what I did. The next year. I went out and did.

37:37 Speaker 1: Manage the live streaming and the cameras and everything at the National Press Club.

37:41 Speaker 4: Took my crew out there and we did we did.

37:45 Speaker 1: The ex conference, and all of a sudden, Tyler, I'm seeing all these guys that I'd watched on TV forever. It's like, well, there's Danton Friedman, There's Nick Pope, you know, and it's there's George Now And it was like, holy moly, I'm here with these guys. And then I got to, you know, meet them and I interviewed them, and it was just like wow, you know, I felt like I like that guy in that movie rock Star, the Want of You that got to be I was walking around these people that I had. You know, I can't say I idolized them, but I knew that they all were and I knew their material, and the moulten how I mean, whoa you know, and and they were all there, and I was the guy with the camera and so I had cart block and I interviewed everybody.

38:28 Speaker 4: And I've been doing that for years.

38:29 Speaker 1: I've got complete hard drives full of never before seen published interviews with the entire field of a lot of them.

38:39 Speaker 4: You know.

38:39 Speaker 1: It's like if I'm working on something and I'm like, oh, you know, I I sure could use some some Linda Moulton howe. Oh well, I've interviewed her like three times. Let's go find what we got and what we can use. And so I have these huge archives. But and it was at that conference that I realized, you know, holy, this is the biggest deception ever put on the face of humanity. And these people that are out here carrying this flag and trying to get people to understand what's going on, they really do know what's going on.

39:10 Speaker 4: Richard Dolan, I mean holy.

39:12 Speaker 1: When I met him the first time, I was just like, Wow, I've seen you on TV the times, and now he's my friend. And so that's what got me into it is that I went back after the ex conference and I made the Disclosure Dialogues with Jennifer Stein, who I met, who's still a dear friend, and we won the twenty twelve EBE Awards for that. We won People's Choice of Best Documentary, and that came with a five disc set that had all these interviews, and we had this idea of let's put these guys together in a room, let's sit down Steve Bassett and Danny she and videotape them having a conversation with each other.

39:50 Speaker 1: And so that became the Disclosure Dialogue set. That did pretty well. And so yeah, that's how it all progressed. I started to move on TV. I negotiat with mof on and then I built it and move on Television dot Com. Sorry to plug it. We'll about to roll out the new website. It's the it's the largest commercial, free, ad free archive of UFO material. There's like six or seven hundred videos on there. A lot of my original shows are on there that I that I make here at the studio. Yeah, old Moufon symposiums, New Moufon Symposiums, and just.

40:25 Speaker 4: A lot of other stuff, all without ads and pretty cool.

40:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.

40:31 Speaker 6: I think it's part of when people sign up for mofon. They can pay a little.

40:39 Speaker 1: Different membership levels, but if you join at anything above just the basic, you get move on TV for free, and you also get the live stream of the Moufon Symposium, which is normally you know, one hundred bucks, one and fifty dollars.

40:51 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very cool.

40:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's people to check, I think definitely. Do you think that? Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna get back into this.

41:02 Speaker 6: So we kind of both talked about some sort of drip feeding of disclosure. In your opinion, what is the most explosive or shocking piece of evidence that's been inadvertently revealed?

41:22 Speaker 1: Wellens of what you mean by inadvertently, I don't think anything's been inadvertently revealed.

41:27 Speaker 4: I think it's all been purposely revealed.

41:30 Speaker 6: Well, like an accidental truth that maybe we shouldn't have have known. And I guess maybe that's a stupid question.

41:42 Speaker 1: Well, I think, like I said, I think it's all been guided. But I do think that when twenty seventeen happened, there is a certain there is truth to the fact that these you know, Chris Mellen was behind the scenes the story that Leslie Keane tells, and the story that Ralph Limenthal tells an accidental truth where they say this was no organized rollout.

42:01 Speaker 4: It happened serendipitously.

42:03 Speaker 1: Lou resigned and To the Stars Academy was formed, And the way Lou tells it in his book is how it happened. I'm not convinced that that it didn't happen a little bit more in cohesion, but you know, who's to tell.

42:19 Speaker 4: But the uh, I think the whole thing got a little bit off the rails.

42:23 Speaker 1: I think the public response was was was more than they anticipated. I think the political response was more than they anticipated, and I think they got very overwhelmed and immediately had to start trying to walk stuff back.

42:37 Speaker 4: And so yeah, we got that they were willing.

42:40 Speaker 1: To float a little bit of disclosure, but it got out of hand and we got a lot of disclosure. And I think that if anything, that's that's that's what has happened. Now. Granted, David Rush isn't testifying with a piece of a flying saucer, but what.

42:56 Speaker 4: He is doing is corroborating the story.

42:59 Speaker 1: And there's a guy, an XCIA guy that's fairly well known in the community. He pulled me aside of Contact in the Desert, right after Accidental Truth came out, and he said this to me, He said, your movie sent shockwaves through the intelligence community, and because of it, something very big is about to happen. And it was that next day, at the last day of Contact in the Desert, that David Grush came out and told his story.

43:23 Speaker 4: And all he did was corroborate holy shit, when the movie he did, and you know.

43:29 Speaker 1: He was clear to say these things. Now, was it a coincidence? I've been told that it was a bit of a coincidence because David Grush was vetted for over a year. I interviewed Ralph Blumenthal for the next movie and that There's been some people when I've said that have criticized me. But to all of you, I got this straight from the horse's mouth. Ralph Blumenthal broke the story. Ross Colthart broke the story on TV. Ralph Blumenthal and les like Keen broke it in the print.

43:56 Speaker 4: Yeahs, And this.

43:59 Speaker 1: Story was they were on it for a while, So the story was brewing before my movie came out. But him coming forward to corroborate what was in the film and getting the clearance to do. So the timing couldn't have been better. It happened like less than a month after the film came out.

44:17 Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't believe in coincidences. So that is very odd. That is very odd. But that's so. What do you think?

44:30 Speaker 6: Do you think that more whistleblowers will inevitably come forward? I don't because I don't like giving when people give predictions, like you know, like Greers out there right now doing it, and you know, I caution against it.

44:45 Speaker 8: I hope he is right.

44:46 Speaker 6: I hope. I hope some green Berets are about to come out and tell us everything, right, I really do.

44:51 Speaker 4: Well, here's here's the thing.

44:53 Speaker 1: I you know, I did this whistleblower video with AI and I put it out there and I think it's on move On's you two channel. But I also interviewed Kurson Gillibrand right after the New Arrow hearing, and I have her on camera.

45:06 Speaker 4: It's going to be in the new film. There's some things in the new film that are really going to blow people away.

45:11 Speaker 1: I have the only video ever made of me a UFO investigator briefing a sitting member of Congress in his office about the whole story.

45:19 Speaker 4: From Roswell forward.

45:20 Speaker 1: So for people that say, well, these guys don't even know what's going on, I can tell you they do because I've got pictures of me with up to I think it's getting close to ten Congress people sitting members of Congress with me in a photo. And I can promise everybody out there, they all have been told by me that story how it started basically with Roswell and all the cover ups and all and the way it all works. And certainly they've heard it from other people. But some of the other people that are telling him this stuff, they can't tell them.

45:51 Speaker 1: There's things lou Alizondo knows that he cannot sit in a room and say there's things that these guys know that unless the congresstional members are cleared, they can't tell them. But I can tell them. And and and there's a whole bunch of us that know this whole story. It's never been that good of a seat, that much of a well kept secret. There's always been somebody in the intelligence community that's leaked information to the UFO community. So anybody that's really rabid about getting the information, the information is out there.

46:28 Speaker 4: It's been handed to.

46:28 Speaker 1: Us for years, and so you know, to be able to brief members of Congress and and go there and actually do it, get into those offices.

46:38 Speaker 8: I went, so I know, I know that.

46:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean getting that kind of access, Tyler is absolutely It's it's hard. You really have to play the right game and they have to trust you. And and to have that many sitting members of Congress that I can talk to is huge.

46:57 Speaker 4: And you're having that happen to you. I told you about in between the.

47:01 Speaker 1: Hearings going to the pick up some crash retrieval debris, right and take it back and give it to Arrow.

47:09 Speaker 4: Yes, do you want to hear that story?

47:11 Speaker 7: I do? Please?

47:13 Speaker 4: All right.

47:13 Speaker 1: So there's this guy, his name's Benny Foggin, and years ago, this was back in the eighties, he saw a flying saucer that dropped some metal and he retrieved this piece of melted metal. Well, that story of UFO is somehow making weird noises and then dropping molten metal is kind of starting to be a thing. So his case was brought to my attention, and I was asked if I wanted to go out there and interview him and take samples of the material. Now, this material has a pedigree. When it's been studied by NASA, it's been studied by Betel Memorial Institute, it's been studied by a lot of people.

47:56 Speaker 1: And Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLong went to this guy's house the same place I went when TTSA first started with a film crew, and they took samples of this material and took it. And according to Lou, very strange things happened while this stuff was enroot.

48:13 Speaker 4: And the word is Tim Taylor got a hold of it.

48:16 Speaker 1: Gary Nolan has some of it, and how put Off has some of it, and nobody is telling the guy who provided the material what's going on with it. And there's this weird red metal that is integrated into this sample that everybody that gets their hands in this thing goes dark in telling this guy the truth about his metal. So after the first hearing, I rent a car and I drive to Ohio where this guy lives, all by myself, and I go to his house and I interview him about the material. Then we take the material to a metal shop in his town, and these people go to drill course samples of it.

48:59 Speaker 1: We take the biggest samples that have ever been taken out of this stuff because we wanted to go all the way through it and find and see if we could find more traces of the red metal, because they're all scripped the outside. And so we put these gigantic holes in it, and I've got tons of this stuff. Right on the second hole drilling. We're using an industrial strength drill press with a brand new carbide a car By bit, and it hangs up and freezes the machine going through this piece of metal. And I have all this on video.

49:30 Speaker 1: It's in the next movie, and nobody can explain it. The metal shop guys are like, this is just something's supposed to be a chunk of aluminum. There's nothing. This is a car By bit, there is nothing that should stop this bit. And this is an industrial drill. It's hundreds of horsepower spinning and it locked up in this sample and we literally had to take it out, take it over to something else, and pry this brand new metal drill bit out of it, and the bit got damaged. Yeah, and so I have said, I have samples of all the materials, including this stuff that came out right then I put it all in specimen jars.

50:07 Speaker 1: We then did a heat test and I and we videotaped all this too.

50:13 Speaker 4: This is fascinating.

50:14 Speaker 1: The metal, which is supposed to be primarily primarily aluminum. We had some aluminum as a test sample and we took this acetylene torch it's like five thousand degrees or something to the aluminum and it just vaporized, right, It just melted into it was gone, not gone. It melted like that. We put we put the stuff on a steel plate. The other stuff you put the put the metal, put the torch to it. It wasn't melting, so then it would melt eventually. But then we decided, well, let's let's heat the steel plate.

50:48 Speaker 1: So we got the steel plate glowing red hot, white hot, and the metal sample that was sitting on top of the steel plate where it was glowing, was still not melted.

50:59 Speaker 4: And it's well, what's the melting point of steel? And we went over all.

51:02 Speaker 1: The math and the melting point of steel is way more than the melting point of aluminum. And then when we finally did get the stuff to melt, it coalesced into this weird shape.

51:10 Speaker 4: It's got all these webs through it. It's just bizarre.

51:14 Speaker 1: And this guy says that his sample has done all kinds of strange.

51:18 Speaker 4: Things over time that he's seen it do.

51:21 Speaker 1: So I take the samples and I drive back to Washington, DC and I hand deliver samples to Kirston Gillibrand's office, and the samples are at Arrow right now. Arrow has emailed me asking me more questions and for permissions and stuff. And I still have a bunch of it. And so you know, anybody that's legit that would like to test some of this metal, I can give it to him.

51:44 Speaker 4: And all of this is in the movie. I'm not making any of it up.

51:47 Speaker 1: And so yeah, and then I interviewed Kurston Gillibrand about it afterwards, and she said on camera for me, anybody who knows about these programs has her personal guarantee that they can come forward and they will be protected, and so you know, I hope.

52:06 Speaker 6: So I wow, holy shit, I should just I wish I had asked, I would have rode with you.

52:16 Speaker 7: I would love to have seen that. Jesus, Well, I mean.

52:21 Speaker 4: It's all, it's all, it was all documented.

52:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad because I cannot wait to see that.

52:28 Speaker 1: And you know, during the shooting, I had three video cameras with me and batteries just.

52:33 Speaker 4: And I almost ended up.

52:35 Speaker 1: I had to end up shooting the last part of the whole thing on my phone because brand new video cameras all charged up I had.

52:41 Speaker 4: I bought an Osmo Pocket three and I had all of.

52:44 Speaker 1: The battery stacked, was freshly charged when I got there, and it lasted like ten minutes, and Dank.

52:49 Speaker 7: You had that thing. Yeah, you had that thing from four a m. At the hearing. I remember that you you were using it. And then at like seven pm was the last time I saw you. You still had it, I know, And I.

53:05 Speaker 1: Was still on the same battery and this thing. I got to the place and next to this metal and the damn thing it lost his.

53:13 Speaker 4: Charge in like fifteen minutes.

53:16 Speaker 1: And then the next day I charged it again and that's when I went back to shoot the interview with the guy, the formal interview.

53:21 Speaker 4: I set up a green screen in his house and did the whole thing and it worked fine. So, you know, just strange days and he was not you know.

53:32 Speaker 1: The people there, I interviewed them, their seasoned metal shop people is a big giant facility. They do industrial metal work, and they're like, I've never seen anything like this.

53:42 Speaker 4: There is nothing that should have stopped that drill press.

53:46 Speaker 7: Huh.

53:47 Speaker 4: And so you know, I took the samples.

53:49 Speaker 1: Of the the samples that came out of the hole where the drill press got locked up. I put those in a separate jar. And so I have all this stuff and I still have a bunch. So I delivered the samples to Gillibrand's office. Arrow was analyzing them, and that's the last I heard.

54:07 Speaker 4: You know.

54:07 Speaker 1: They asked me if they could destroy the samples, which is called destructive testing. And I'm like, yeah, you guys can do that. But the but the stipulation I had is we want to know what the results are. And we already know that a US Army materials lab studied the same material because they got it from Tom.

54:23 Speaker 4: DeLong and Luella is Ondo.

54:25 Speaker 1: They studied the same material that was all this big thing when Tom belong And was made that deal with the Army. This was some of the materials that they delivered that and Linda molten house little bismuth.

54:36 Speaker 4: Triangle from her. Yes, yeah, you know.

54:39 Speaker 1: There's another story of that that's coming out in the next movie. You want to hear it. Hell yeah, all right, So check this out, dude.

54:47 Speaker 4: This is the weirdest coincidence that you probably heard this week.

54:51 Speaker 1: ID this and I found out that.

54:57 Speaker 4: When Linda first got that material, she said it to how put Off.

55:01 Speaker 1: Now this was back in the eighties. I think late eighties might be wrong about that, but it was. It was back way back. So how Kutoff studied the material and sent Linda back a letter saying that there's nothing unusual that we can identify with the material. But then there's this weird thing he says in the letter. He says, but there was one test that we didn't subject it to, and that was subjecting it to frequency waves of blah blah blah. And then and then he concludes the letter, And I'm thinking about that, and I'm like, look, there's a million tests you can perform on a piece of metal.

55:35 Speaker 1: Why would frequency waves at a certain frequency be like a test that you'd even think to do?

55:41 Speaker 7: Right?

55:41 Speaker 4: So then I thought, well, what if they did do that?

55:44 Speaker 1: And there is a video, okay from that time of her material being tested subjected to those waves at that at these frequencies at how put Off mentioned and the materials jumping around and there's a guy on the video observing the test.

56:01 Speaker 4: And you know who it is?

56:03 Speaker 7: Who is it?

56:04 Speaker 1: It's Travis Taylor, unmistakably Travis Taylor. His voice, you can't you can't mistake it. And this is back before anybody knew who he was, before Discovery Channel, before History Channel, before you know, he's been he's been involved in secret stuff, and now he's running a tip.

56:21 Speaker 4: But this, okay, so this gets even weirder.

56:24 Speaker 1: Okay, when I interviewed Gary Nolan, he was talking about the ability to do atomic level three D printing. Now, when Linda's material came out back in the day, it had these micro thin layers.

56:40 Speaker 7: Do you remember this, the atomic layering is.

56:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody could explain it, you know, they just wrote it off to coincidence. Well, the reason nobody could explain it in the nineteen eighties and nineties is because three D printing wasn't even on our radar screen.

56:54 Speaker 8: I mean maybe dark Night, but nobody.

56:57 Speaker 1: You know, So we couldn't explain it as being pretty printed because we didn't have it.

57:04 Speaker 8: And so so so fast forward to TTSA and Tom DeLong and how put off.

57:15 Speaker 1: Who's you know part of TTSA who wrote Lenda the letter saying there wasn't anything of significance in her material, then why would they go and give her thirty five thousand dollars to get their hands on.

57:26 Speaker 4: It as one of their first orders of business? Huh Yeah, I know, man, that's a that's a very interesting silence.

57:44 Speaker 1: You were either like waiting for me to continue, or it just hits you the significance of what I just said.

57:49 Speaker 7: Can you wait?

57:51 Speaker 6: Can you just so I made sure I heard it correct? Can you repeat it?

57:56 Speaker 7: Not just the last part?

57:58 Speaker 8: Yeah?

57:58 Speaker 1: I mean when tts say it was formed, how put off it was was on the you know part of TTSA. Yes, he had previously written Linda years ago saying there's nothing significant about the material. But these guys TTSA and how who's part of them? They went and bought that material and handed it over to the Army Materials Lab who's never given us a straight answer about what they came up with. So if there was nothing to the material, why was it worth thirty five thousand dollars to pay Linda and snatch it.

58:30 Speaker 6: I got to ask you a question, and there's there's a reason for my silence.

58:36 Speaker 7: Do you I've had my.

58:39 Speaker 6: Suspicions that there are people and how might be one.

58:44 Speaker 9: Of them, that they are, they are and may still be on the inside of the program and they are double dipping.

58:56 Speaker 6: You know.

58:56 Speaker 4: James Fox is coming out. He just did.

58:58 Speaker 1: He just did an episode of a show where he's pretty much convinced that Hall is a first hand witness. And and how how you know, I tried to get to how to give me an interview James, James pulled it off.

59:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's he's definitely one of them.

59:14 Speaker 1: See this, this whole thing goes back, Okay, And and James has hell put off.

59:18 Speaker 4: I've got Colonel.

59:19 Speaker 1: John Alexander, who is you know he I got a new interview with him. And in the film, these guys were all like this for that whole period of time. I mean they were they were at SRI with Russell Tard doing the remote viewing stuff. Yeah yeah, and and Uri Geller and and John Alexander.

59:38 Speaker 4: Was involved in uh what was it? What was the thing where they were like experimenting on people.

59:49 Speaker 7: So there's MK ultra, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:52 Speaker 1: He was involved in MK Ultra. Supposedly this dude was a was a was a sniper.

59:57 Speaker 4: In Vietnam. He was his code name was Assassin six.

1:00:02 Speaker 1: Alexander is the guy, is truly the guy that would tell you, could tell you, but he'd have to kill you. And these guys are all at different levels and and so yeah, they I don't think that they were the originators of the program, but I think at some point they were read in at least to some point.

1:00:21 Speaker 4: And Hal for sure. And then there's Tim Taylor. He knows what's going on, and there is the task I can't see.

1:00:32 Speaker 1: And then Robert Bigelow to some point, you know what I mean, Look what they did the Bigelow.

1:00:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like he came out, basically made him trade his soul.

1:00:41 Speaker 4: Well they for.

1:00:43 Speaker 1: He came out of sixty minutes and said aliens. And six months later Bigelow Aerospace was demolished. NASA stiffed him for the money they owed him. His technology was cannibalized by a bunch of other companies. He says that it had nothing that did Those things didn't have anything to do with each other. But I don't believe it. I think he I think that's the price he paid for spilling the beans. And then when the when the materials case came out where you know, I broke that story and we also included it in the film when it came out that materials were being studied at Big Lower Aerospace, and he had to walk that back.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: And that's why he did that interview with George Knapp, was so that he could go publicly and walk it back, because he was already in hot water for for letting stuff leak.

1:01:27 Speaker 4: And so the whole.

1:01:29 Speaker 1: Idea that that he was going to be involved in it being revealed that Big Lower Aerospace had its hands on materials or came close to it.

1:01:39 Speaker 4: And now he's doing Life After Death and he's keeping his mouth shut.

1:01:41 Speaker 1: And Big Lower Aerospace, if you go there, it's just a big building with a couple of cars parked there and it's still there, and it's just it's got this whole feel.

1:01:49 Speaker 4: Of of just not not right.

1:01:52 Speaker 7: It's not right.

1:01:53 Speaker 6: And and I think a prime example is Elon Musk.

1:01:59 Speaker 7: Right now, let me tell you, well, well, just one second, of course you're the guest.

1:02:05 Speaker 6: I I don't mean that in like a but but Elon Musk and his his like weird attitude because everything else he seems like fine with like kind of going out there and saying things like about we live in a simulation, YadA YadA. But when it comes to extraterrestrial life and non human intelligence and UFOs, he gets really quiet and then he just kind of goes, you know, says the mint at the least he can.

1:02:36 Speaker 7: And I think he he saw.

1:02:39 Speaker 6: What happened to Bigelow, and he's got contracts with the government too.

1:02:43 Speaker 7: He doesn't want to lose that.

1:02:45 Speaker 4: Well, what happened to Bigelow happened after Musk did his thing.

1:02:48 Speaker 1: But you know, I made a video calling him out about this and it set shockwaves through uh through space action.

1:02:56 Speaker 4: What I understand. I'll send you the link.

1:02:58 Speaker 1: I literally said, you know, Elon, if you convincing, you know, talk to Robert Bigelow. But if that's not good enough, move on. Would like to offer you a private briefing where we will send people to SpaceX to sit you down and line you out on this stuff.

1:03:13 Speaker 4: And and he never did it, but it's a really fun video. I'll send it to you. But uh, you know, here's what happened with it.

1:03:20 Speaker 1: Because I met some people that did video production for SpaceX and they told me some things. And what's what I believe is going on with Elon Musk is that he's basically told that you got your contracts, you can play with rockets, stay away from the whole alien question, don't get involved, and and and that's the price he's paid for.

1:03:42 Speaker 4: Being able to play the game that he's playing. And so you know, it makes sense.

1:03:48 Speaker 7: It does, it does, And honestly, but.

1:03:52 Speaker 4: Does he is he read in? I don't Maybe not, But here's here's the thing.

1:03:57 Speaker 1: If you're SpaceX and Lockheed has which that could make a better heat shield or whatever, you don't think he's given this stuff that that other companies are are sitting on.

1:04:09 Speaker 4: So you know, is he.

1:04:11 Speaker 1: Read in like he knows about he knows as much as Robert Bigelow, or he knows as much as Alizondo.

1:04:16 Speaker 4: No, but he's the SpaceX.

1:04:18 Speaker 1: Has a lot of classified stuff going on, and a lot of it has to do with reverse engineered stuff.

1:04:23 Speaker 4: That's just my opinion, but it stands to reason.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: I would have to assume only logical explanation for why Elon avoids aliens. And a lot of people have said it, and people have talked to you on the inside have confirmed it.

1:04:36 Speaker 4: My old studio used to be right across the street from SpaceX. Yeah.

1:04:41 Speaker 1: No, in the videos, it's a joke because I had a spaceship set at that time and it was like, elon, we're the only two people in Hawthorne, California building spaceships.

1:04:51 Speaker 4: I have one, you have one.

1:04:54 Speaker 1: But there's a place at SpaceX.

1:04:58 Speaker 4: It's on the SpaceX is located.

1:05:00 Speaker 1: There's a little airstrip in Torrents and so you know, it's private jet can just pull up and he can just get off the jet and walk straight into the SpaceX buildings. And for a time it was possible if you had a Tesla you could go and you can't do it anymore. You could go and pull up right to Tesla Design Center and charge your car and then you could walk around the whole SpaceX campus and nobody nobody said anything.

1:05:24 Speaker 4: It was all integrated. But now they typed it up.

1:05:27 Speaker 1: But there's a restaurant there called the Eureka Tasting Bar, I think it is.

1:05:31 Speaker 4: It's definitely Eureka, and.

1:05:34 Speaker 1: That's where the SpaceX guys hang out. And so if you want to go there and meet SpaceX people and listen to the conversations, that's where you go. And so you know, there's there's some video guys that i'd met that told me some things, and so yeah, I know that that he knows a lot more than he's saying, but he is strategically out of the conversation.

1:05:55 Speaker 6: Which honestly, from a guy like him, you know, like you said, it's in his best interest to just kind of keep it, keep it at bay.

1:06:05 Speaker 1: The thing that loves me is why is he denying it? You know, It's like it's bad enough to say, well, you know, I don't know, but but you know, to say, well, you know, if there was, if there was something going on, I would know about it, and there isn't, So denying it is worse than just side stepping it.

1:06:25 Speaker 6: In my opinion, I yeah, I would agree, I would agree because and and then that's what bugs me about like people like Neilda grass Tyson and there in his kind of thoughts on it and how he dismisses it, and you know, it's it's ironic because you know, he got famous and is well known for his work in with black holes, which at one time were theoretical.

1:06:51 Speaker 8: And you know what I mean.

1:06:53 Speaker 6: So it's kind of like, wait, Neil, how can you how can you sit there and say that it's it's counter it doesn't make sense. And again, we we need science as much as we h it sucks. We need the scientific community on our side with this and and and to help us with this.

1:07:17 Speaker 1: Do you want to see this? You know I can text this to you right now. You can play it if you want.

1:07:21 Speaker 7: If you can get it to me, I'll play it.

1:07:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me.

1:07:24 Speaker 1: I'm sending it right now. It's really funny.

1:07:27 Speaker 7: Let me see if I got it.

1:07:29 Speaker 1: But I just said it, okay, So.

1:07:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, I would love to.

1:07:40 Speaker 6: Uh well, it's gonna take me a minute to air drop it.

1:07:43 Speaker 7: So I'll ask you something and get you get you going.

1:07:49 Speaker 6: As a filmmaker and a media professional, what role do you think that documentaries and films play in shaping the UFO narrative? And how can we uh you know, improve that going forward?

1:08:03 Speaker 7: Like your film is packed with information, Well.

1:08:07 Speaker 1: You know, you hit the nail right in the head, Tyler that I didn't want to make a BS movie. There's too many people out there making UFO documentaries that are far fetched, completely out there that you know, I have a hard time believing that they're even representing factual material. And so you know, getting this is if you can't prove it or make a good case for it, don't say it, you know, don't build a whole following telling me this cockamami story about you know, doing all these things that there's no better way to lose the attention of a sitting congress person than to take him on a journey he doesn't want to go on.

1:08:44 Speaker 1: And so we have too many people making films about stuff that is unsubstantiated and pure conjecture, and that turns off the general public. When I made Accidental Truth, I exposed the reality of this, and I did it in such.

1:09:00 Speaker 4: A way that, to my knowledge, nobody, not.

1:09:03 Speaker 1: One person has step forward to attack the credibility in my film. And and I you know, that's that's what I think needs to be the gold standard for all of us. You know, there's a couple of filmmakers out there that that that are making those kind of films, and then there's a lot of people out there that are just talking s H T and and and it's and it's you know, it's it's hard because we're trying to convince the public of the reality of this stuff. And then and then you know, it's like, oh yeah, I'm not going to say names, and I'm not even going to talk about circumstances because you know, one thing I've come to realize is that our perception of reality, we we don't know what it is enough to blast the credibility of other people.

1:09:48 Speaker 1: But but there's something I call the Midwest bar test, and I think every UFO documentary should be able to pass it.

1:09:59 Speaker 7: Oh okay, yes, all right, so.

1:10:01 Speaker 4: I'll tell you here's the Midwest bar test. This is what it is.

1:10:04 Speaker 1: You walk into a bar in the Midwest, salt of the Earth. People, a couple of Harley's parked out front. You know, everybody's drinking beer, they're playing pool. You walk in there and somehow or another conversation comes up and you talk about you know, you're into UFOs and so, you know.

1:10:20 Speaker 4: You get their attention and they want to hear more. So they say, well, what can you tell us? Say, well, you.

1:10:26 Speaker 1: Know, there's a pretty decent chance that non human intelligence has been interacting with humans for a really long time.

1:10:33 Speaker 4: And they all go, yeah, you know I've heard about that.

1:10:36 Speaker 1: I'll watch Agent Alien. Sure, And then you say, well, there's also a really good chance that the government knows a lot more about it than they're ever going to tell us. Oh yeah, that's probably absolutely for sure. There's a really good chance that there's a consensus of science now that there's absolutely got to be life in outer space, whether it's here or not.

1:10:57 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, they're totally on man here, let me buy you.

1:11:00 Speaker 1: And then you say, oh, and by the way, I was taken out of my bed when I was six years old and adrigressed and sent off to fight giant spiders on Mars and then come back and put back in my bed at the same exact time, and I'm a super soldier with missing teeth, and my friend you are dragged out of the bar, the beer that they bought you is spilled over your head, and the bikers.

1:11:24 Speaker 4: Want to kick your butt. So the Midwest bar test.

1:11:28 Speaker 1: Don't make a film that doesn't pass it. If you want to come off with some absolutely far out bizarre story that maybe it's true, but you have to think about what's good for the community and what's good for advancing the knowledge. If it is so preposterous that people most people are just going to shake their heads, then that paints a bad picture on the whole community. So even if this stuff happened to you, even if you're Captain Kirk, if you can't make a good case for it and show some kind of evidence beyond just a bunch of peeople talking, then don't do it.

1:12:02 Speaker 1: Just shut up, take your experience and write a book, but do not do this to the field. So integrity in making these documentaries, not sensationalism.

1:12:15 Speaker 6: I think that's a fair I think that's fair. So I pulled up this video, so we'll take a watch. All right, I'm gonna play it from the bet let me know. If you can hear the sound, you can make sure.

1:12:42 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Elon Musk, and I'm a huge fan of SpaceX, so I was a little bit disappointed when he gave the speech in Texas a few days ago and talked about how he did not have any knowledge whatsoever of any non human intelligence engaging the human race. I think that that's just a little bit hard to believe. And I know most you out there are going to agree with me. Now, I've got some things in common with Elon Musk. He makes Tesla's, I drive a Tesla. He has a studio right there in Hawthorne, where he designs Tesla's.

1:13:11 Speaker 1: I have a studio right around the corner where I made the first season of Bigger Questions. He builds spaceships in Hawthorne, California, and ride around the corner in Hawthorne, California. I built a spaceship. There's a picture of it, complete with moufon director Jan Harzan at the passenger side. Now let's take a look at what Elon said.

1:13:31 Speaker 11: As far as we know, we are the only consciousness or the only life that's out there. They might be other life, but we've.

1:13:37 Speaker 1: Seen no signs of it.

1:13:38 Speaker 11: If people often ask me if you what do you know about the aliens and that you know, I'm like, man, I tell you if I'm pretty sure, I know, you know, if there were aliens, I've not seen any sign of aliens.

1:13:49 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of conversations with people about why he takes that position, and there's a lot of different answers, and I don't want to get into it now, but what I would like to do is extend a special invitation from moof on television and all of my friends in the field to Elon Musk. If there's anybody out there that's done credible research and has overwhelming compelling evidence. They're in my rolodex. No tinfoil hats. People from government, people from science, witnesses, from the military.

1:14:17 Speaker 1: We can give you a private briefing at SpaceX, and I promise you will not look at this question the same elon private briefing the et issue brought to you by moufon television with the best people in the field privately for you.

1:14:32 Speaker 4: Let's do it.

1:14:35 Speaker 7: Damn all right. So that was awesome. Where did we go?

1:14:44 Speaker 1: That's tough. That's called activism. So no response, No, but we did get a lot of emails set to them, but.

1:14:57 Speaker 4: No response. Although I got to tell you just read I got.

1:15:00 Speaker 1: A friend request from somebody named Eyon Musk and I thought it was fake, so I denied it and then I found out it was really from him and it wasn't.

1:15:08 Speaker 4: Just so maybe you wanted to talk to me.

1:15:11 Speaker 6: I just well, shit, you know what, I think you should play that Well, we just played it on Twitter. Yeah, but I think you should repost that video to X and tag him in it. I will if you won't. But hell, yeah, I think, like I said, that was that was awesome. I love that and and then honestly I saw you doing that. So even as just the media relations, you know, we can go into what that is with mofon, you're doing a lot of boots on the groundwork as well, not just in your you know, by making these films, but you're actually speaking to Congress members.

1:15:47 Speaker 6: You're actively engaging them during hearings and getting questions asked to witnesses that are under oath. So how can mofon help get the ball? How can we get guys like how cut off Eric Davis, Admiral Wilson, how do we get them on the stand under oath?

1:16:07 Speaker 1: Well, I've given those names to several members of Congress because they asked me for a list of who to call in and at Eric Davis is one of them, and Wilson is certainly one of them. I don't know if you know this or not, but at this all conference, Eric Davis pretty much confirmed the Wilson Davis memos being real. And I confronted Eric Davis. I got to ask him a question, and I got shut down by Gary Nolan in the middle of my question.

1:16:33 Speaker 4: But it was.

1:16:34 Speaker 1: Basically, how much more can we do to move this forward? And it's like, look, doctor Davis, and I've been wanting to talk to that guy forever.

1:16:45 Speaker 4: And so finally I at Saul.

1:16:49 Speaker 1: I stood in line, and they were going to have him come back so more people could ask, and so I sat right next to the microphone for the whole session, and as soon as I knew that are coming out with questions, I was right there, first in line. So I got to ask my question, and it was basically, we all know. You know that we know, and we know that you know that we know, and you know we're all doing this weird dance. What can groups like mofon and the public do to get this ball moving more because we're all frustrated?

1:17:19 Speaker 1: And you know, the answer was was very vanillas, like, oh, well, you know, we're at your congressman. But MOFON has had a lobbying firm in Washington, DC for two years. We've had over four hundred meetings with congress members and staffers. And you know, there's a lot of people out there tooting their horns about oh, I'm a big shot in DC. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. Well, we're not really tooting our horn about it. We're just doing it. And so the record speaks for itself. Move On has gained the respect of House and Senate Intelligence committees.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: We've been really doing this properly, and we've been in there helping to share ape the narrative and helping to you know, uncover the investigation and actively having meetings. And you know, we don't go and say, oh, yeah, we just met with with a Senator Jillibrand we don't go posting it on Facebook.

1:18:16 Speaker 4: But we're new and I think they like that in a way.

1:18:20 Speaker 1: As media relations director, I want to post it every time we do it. Oh look, here's me with Andre Carson. Guess what I told him. But I don't do that, but that's why I can talk to Andre Carson or whoever. You know, we've been back there doing a lot of the stuff. I've had some meetings and Dave McDonald, the head of MOUFON, has had a ton of meetings, way more than me, and and you know, that's what we're doing. And we you know, right now, we give the House and Senate Intelligence committees quarterly reports on move On, civilian sightings and cases and that stuff.

1:18:52 Speaker 4: It gets handed straight to these committees, and so you.

1:18:55 Speaker 1: Know, we're involved and anybody that wants to be involved can help us out. You know, they can become a moofon member. You're helping us support this work. You can subscribe to move On TV.

1:19:05 Speaker 7: You could become an investigator, yeah, if you want.

1:19:07 Speaker 4: To, you know.

1:19:08 Speaker 1: But a lot of people think, you know, well, if I join moufon, I have to be a field investigator.

1:19:12 Speaker 4: But you don't.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: You know, it's like the biggest UFOL club in the world. If you care about the topic, be a part of our group. Yeah, it's where you find your community. But yeah, so and keeping your politicians. Every single citizen should be reaching out to their politicians saying, come on, man, I believe in this topic and I want you to pay attention to it, and they will.

1:19:32 Speaker 4: You know.

1:19:33 Speaker 7: Well, it's hard for me, right because I live in Massachusetts.

1:19:36 Speaker 6: So when I when I email Elizabeth Warren, she doesn't tend to bring my questions to DC and I don't know why.

1:19:47 Speaker 7: But anyway, I'm sorry.

1:19:49 Speaker 4: That was well Elizabeth Warren. You know, she's got her own thing going on.

1:19:53 Speaker 7: Yeah she's half.

1:19:55 Speaker 4: But if enough people were to, you know, they love this. Tim Burton stuck his neck out.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: I love it, you know, And the in accidental truth that at the end he's one of the last scenes where he takes.

1:20:08 Speaker 4: The microphone off and I hope I don't get it. You know, it was really this interview is over kind of thing.

1:20:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, what I loved about Birchet is like, because I've had him on the show, I talked to.

1:20:19 Speaker 7: Him in d C the on the at the day of the hearing.

1:20:22 Speaker 6: He is the one who invited me to the hearing. Actually, and and and I thank him for that still to this day. He really that TMZ interview where he gives that, you know, like they're not gonna tell us anything.

1:20:38 Speaker 7: You know, this this cover up and that kind of.

1:20:42 Speaker 6: Was a landmark thing because a congress member admitted that there was a cover up, and and it was this modern day.

1:20:52 Speaker 7: Congressman and and this I don't know, there was just.

1:20:56 Speaker 1: The same everything with that, and and the fact that he was willing to do it it and and how successful it's been for him. You know, it's like he took he could have thrown away his political career getting behind this topic, but he didn't. He's he's respected and he keeps getting re elected. And but but it took real courage and you know, if you know Tim, and you do by now, I've interviewed him like four times and been to his office equal number of times.

1:21:26 Speaker 4: The he's assault of the Earth guy, and.

1:21:32 Speaker 1: He really cares about the topic, and he really despises this political machine.

1:21:36 Speaker 4: That is Washington, d C. That you know, he doesn't want to be a part of that. You won't see it.

1:21:41 Speaker 6: He won't even he won't even call it a swamp because he says a swamp is an ecosystem and serves a bigger function.

1:21:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty funny.

1:21:53 Speaker 6: I really I can't get enough of his sound nights, like it's just amazing. But he hasn't he he doesn't take it lightly. He knows, and he has said publicly, you know, Tyler. You know, he says it on the show, like I am not suicidal. So if I end up with a gunshot to the back of my head, I am not suicidal.

1:22:16 Speaker 7: And when he said that to me, we've.

1:22:19 Speaker 4: All had to say it. You know.

1:22:20 Speaker 1: I got a warning one time, a text from from well, I'm not gonna say who it was, just saying we'll watch your back to somebody who's prominent in my film and prominent right now, and you know, strange things have happened when I was making Accidental Truth. The first time I would come into the room in the middle of the night my hard drives. You're just chattering away, and I'm like, what's going on? And I found out later that was that was data being transferred across my computer.

1:22:45 Speaker 4: They were watching every move I made. And there was a couple.

1:22:48 Speaker 1: Of times when I came in my house and stuff had been moved around, and it was like, what's up with this? And that was very until it showed up on Amazon on the release day. I was I was I was ever going to see the light of day, And you know, I thank god it did, But yeah, I wasn't sure.

1:23:12 Speaker 6: So you I was going to ask, do you ever do you ever worry that you might stumble onto something that does you know, get you? I don't know put in a position?

1:23:28 Speaker 1: That old trip to Washington, d C. Was like one giant spy novel. I mean, it was absolute insanity. If I wasn't it's almost comedic some of the stuff that I ran into, and and and some of the agency stuff that crossed my path, and and you know, it was all I never felt threatened, but I definitely felt included.

1:23:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, oh man.

1:23:58 Speaker 1: I mean when I was driving to oh you know, I went all by myself and a lot of people knew I was going and what I was going there for. I encountered this fog that was like you couldn't drive in it. You could only see twenty feet away in front of you. And it was like that for hours, and I was thinking, man, I don't even have any way to tell if I'm being followed.

1:24:21 Speaker 4: Somebody wanted to take me out, this would be a perfect opportunity.

1:24:24 Speaker 7: This is it.

1:24:25 Speaker 4: Nobody, Nobody followed me to Ohio and no, you know, nothing like that happened.

1:24:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was told I was followed to Ohio, but whoever did it was pretty damn good because I never caught and I was watching that.

1:24:38 Speaker 6: I think one thing in this field is that I think when like so, we tend to get a little bit over anxious, and I think that leads to people doing drastic things, and I mean we I hate to bring it up, but this this whole Tesla truck guy, you know, his his email to Sean.

1:25:00 Speaker 7: Ryan into others Burchetts involved in it.

1:25:05 Speaker 1: He just came out and said that that guy was one of his whistleblowers.

1:25:11 Speaker 7: Yeah, I.

1:25:14 Speaker 6: Did tweet about that today or I don't know if it's still called a tweet.

1:25:17 Speaker 7: I don't think it is. I posted on eggs. Yeah, I think we all are. Uh.

1:25:24 Speaker 6: But so I tweeted about that today and I got a little bit of mixed bag, some people saying he didn't say that, and that was more from Patrick from vetted.

1:25:36 Speaker 7: I don't know. So, I don't know. I have to look more into that.

1:25:39 Speaker 6: But I was under the assumption that Greer did say that this guy was part of that of that effort to some degree, and Greer had been talking about that far before the Tesla truck ever caught flames at that hotel. So is it coincidence? I I don't think so. Again, I don't believe in those So but in his in his email, he talks about some pretty alarming shit ron some pretty alarming shit and then say about this anti gravitic technology and how us only you know, the United States and China have that.

1:26:18 Speaker 7: So, so what have you have you been paying attention to this? Do you? What do you know of this?

1:26:24 Speaker 1: Well? I haven't read the whole letter. I've just been so busy with the studio move and everything else. But you know that the thing about any gravitic technology, Steve Bassett thinks we've had it. A lot of people think we've had in the fifties. Yeah, there was a there was a scientist that was studying anti gravitic stuff that disappeared. Yes, so that's a whole other story. But yeah, I can't comment on that without being a little.

1:26:46 Speaker 6: Further Yeah, understood, ununderstood. And we are, like you said, squeezed, squeeze a.

1:26:53 Speaker 7: Little bit for time. We're gonna be wrapping up in a minute, so I want to ask future projects.

1:27:02 Speaker 6: Obviously, we know there's a follow up to Accidental Truth coming, yes.

1:27:08 Speaker 4: And you know it keeps getting postponed because things keep happening.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: I decided to wait until after James Fox put out in the program because I wanted to make sure that there was no similar efforts, and then I wanted also to catch up with what was happening in the field, and there was always something new that needed to find its way into the film.

1:27:29 Speaker 4: It's one of those situations. It's ninety days from the time.

1:27:32 Speaker 1: You finish your movie till the system can release it, and things are happening, so fast in this field that ninety days is like a lifetime and so you know, at some point I have to say, okay, I'm cutting it off.

1:27:44 Speaker 7: You have to picture life out.

1:27:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's called Accidental Truth. Next.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: It picks up where Accidental Truth left off. It recaps some of the stuff that we got right in the initial movie. It's narrated by Matthew Modine again, which is fantastic. The uh, the the reason it's called next is because you know the principle of it is, all right, we are we we know this already. We're being engaged by non human intelligence. Okay, what's next?

1:28:12 Speaker 7: And so we've had the revelation.

1:28:15 Speaker 1: In the in the first movie, we took you into the preliminary entries into you know, it was all nuts and bolts up until it wasn't. And Accidental Sure, It's next is the same thing. It's all nuts and bolts right up until it isn't.

1:28:30 Speaker 6: And you you had told me that you also work. You do work on other it's not just uphoes that you're dabbling into. Your making films about the paranormal, the supernatural, if you want to call it that.

1:28:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've made a bunch of ghost movies that documentaries.

1:28:48 Speaker 1: I made one of the first documentaries ever about electronic voice phenomenon back it's called Dead Whisper, Still out There, And I'm working on one about life after death right now.

1:28:58 Speaker 4: It will probably be my next piece.

1:29:00 Speaker 1: And you know Christopher O'Brien, who was the famous cattle mutilation guy. He's helped me and James Fox and a bunch of other people. Chris and I have made several movies together, and he came to work on Accidental Truth and he passed away the day of.

1:29:14 Speaker 4: The Saul conference at my not at my house, but he was.

1:29:18 Speaker 1: He left my house and died a couple of minutes later.

1:29:22 Speaker 6: So I'm so I also, you know, I forgot to do this in the beginning of the show, but you are in La. I just I want to say that I know, I'm terribly, terribly sorry for what's going on, and I hope that everybody that, whether they're good or bad. I mean, it looks like an apocalypse, man.

1:29:49 Speaker 1: This is probably, you know, and I'm crazy. I just set up this new studio and I literally rented. I decided I want to spend more time in la because I've been in Sodona since COVID and I rented an apartment and then the next day we had the fires and I my boil.

1:30:05 Speaker 4: I didn't make a mistake.

1:30:06 Speaker 1: And what's even more is I hope that I didn't just take a place away from somebody who might have really needed it. So I'm actually going to I'm going to make my house in Sedona available to somebody while I'm in California and see if I can help out that way, and I might make the apartment I just rented available to somebody and just go back to Sedona. And so this rides out, but Los Angeles will never be the same. I mean it literally, an atomic bomb, a single atomic bomb could not have done more damage.

1:30:36 Speaker 6: It's it just I mean, the scenes, the scenes are just straight out of like an apocalypse film.

1:30:46 Speaker 1: It's over ten thousand structures have been burned. The air like I'm in my studio right now, but I've.

1:30:51 Speaker 8: Got a sore throat and I could hear it.

1:30:54 Speaker 4: You know, that's from breathing this air. It's toxic, literally.

1:30:58 Speaker 6: And you don't want to bring your dog out there. You don't want to do any of that. So I I really I just want to say, man, I I I I don't I don't pray, but I send my positive energy to everyone that is a friend of the show, that's been on the show, that's in that area and is a friend.

1:31:20 Speaker 4: Here's a friend of the show.

1:31:21 Speaker 7: Oh my god, you're on TV, buddy, Oh my god. So is he Is that a Yorkie?

1:31:30 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's my mom's ninety six and she was living in my guest house and she just had to get going because she has Alzheimer's.

1:31:39 Speaker 4: So this is her little dog and I've been taking care of him. So he's with me. He mentioned walking the dog. He's with me here in La Oh.

1:31:49 Speaker 7: It's such a cutie.

1:31:50 Speaker 4: I love he loves me.

1:31:51 Speaker 6: We're we're a very dog friendly show. I have the dog in the studio. We have the studio up in down the down the road, and uh, the guy who owns the studio like owns and owns it. His dog literally lives there. So and then I have my dog here. So no matter where I make a show, there's a dog around.

1:32:14 Speaker 1: You know, I've had dogs before, but this little guy is pretty pretty. Especially he's super smart and he's helped me through some rough times.

1:32:23 Speaker 7: That's and that's another thing.

1:32:25 Speaker 6: So I mean, I know we spoke about this on the phone, but you know, Moufon. Moufon has always been really nuts and bolts. And I understand that they have the E R T. Kathleen Martin's a good friend of mine. Earl Anderson good friend of mine. Uh So they have the experience, a resource team.

1:32:49 Speaker 7: But abductions and stuff like that.

1:32:53 Speaker 6: Do you think Moufon could do a little bit better representing those kind of cases?

1:32:58 Speaker 1: And and I think we're doing the best job of anybody in the world. I mean, you know, short Ray Hernandez did his thing right. But here's what's going on, Tyler. We're not ready to.

1:33:09 Speaker 4: Roll that out.

1:33:10 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not going to walk into Andre Carson's office and start talking about abductions.

1:33:16 Speaker 4: They're not ready to hear that yet.

1:33:19 Speaker 1: And I'm not diminishing the experience or phenomenon. And I can say that experiencers are going to have their day and we're getting there, but we still have an establishment of politicians and people that we have to have on our side, and there's some things that they're just not ready to talk about. And so you know, you can't you can't walk in and have credibility and say you want to talk about people being producted.

1:33:45 Speaker 4: By aliens and hybrids and all these weird things that are happening.

1:33:49 Speaker 6: That's how you get That's how you get on the crazy list, exactly. And again, so that's what I'm telling people right now is and that it was that exact sentiment is we need this first domino to fall, yes.

1:34:02 Speaker 4: And Experience, we have your back.

1:34:05 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole reason we have this that the Experience or Resource team is because we're doing the biggest research. Ray Hernandez and did the Edgar Mitchell Foundation and I was working with him at that time. They put out that huge report about how the experiencer phenomenon and other similar phenomenon could all be connected through mechanism, and you know Kathleen was involved in that.

1:34:28 Speaker 4: And move On is its own data that we're publishing.

1:34:30 Speaker 1: And if you are an experiencer, we have the biggest resource group for you.

1:34:35 Speaker 4: We can help you with every.

1:34:37 Speaker 1: Aspect of coming to grips with this and understanding what it is and finding other people that can you can talk to without fear of being ridiculed. So I don't know how much more Moufon can do we're doing. We're at the forefront already, and as far as how much we're going to bring it into the public light, especially in the political arena, we're being careful about that. But it's definitely in our it's on our radar screen that it has to be. It has to come up because it's a real thing.

1:35:10 Speaker 6: No, And I think you know what, I think that again, I I share your sentiment in that, in that fact that we have to be strategic when we talk to lawmakers and.

1:35:23 Speaker 7: Certain individuals.

1:35:26 Speaker 6: We have to make a sacrifice in order to move the ball further down the field if not, you know, is a good analogy.

1:35:35 Speaker 1: And you know, the experience or phenomenon is there's parts of that that might not be so great.

1:35:42 Speaker 4: You know.

1:35:42 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are having these positive encounters, but a lot of people have had their lives changed and even ruined by some of the things that have happened to them. And you know, we're fighting for this disclosure and we're trying to There is no threat, you know, it's there, it's just not the it's not the right time for move On officially to put the experience or phenomenon front and center. But we are serving experiencers in every way possible, and we're not We're not shy about it. We're the one that we're working with with ancient aliens right now on an experiencer show, and I think say much more, but we are, and we've.

1:36:20 Speaker 4: Got some other things in development.

1:36:22 Speaker 1: So we just came to a point and I think I can I can tell that I can share this.

1:36:28 Speaker 4: We just made it possible for people who have.

1:36:34 Speaker 1: Uh in confidence made reports to move on that that we whose data were absolutely obligated to protect. We have created an avenue where if you want to tell your story to a broader audience, then we will connect you with people that are doing programming and documentaries. We've never did that before, so you know we are because it's a fine line. You want to make sure that you are protecting protect people that come to you in confidence.

1:37:03 Speaker 4: So but they also there might be people that do want to tell it.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: And there's certainly documentarians and TV shows that want these stories. So how do you bridge that gap without alienating the people who put their confidence in you? And it took us a long time to figure out the policies. I'm actually I'm actually the one to figure them out and made this work.

1:37:24 Speaker 4: So yeah, so we're making it possible.

1:37:26 Speaker 1: For experiencers that want to share their story more broadly to have access to the networks and the outlets.

1:37:33 Speaker 4: That we work with.

1:37:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was I was going to say, like, you know, it.

1:37:37 Speaker 4: Kind of a big deal and answering your.

1:37:38 Speaker 6: Question, that is a huge deal because if someone can you know, in their reporting, if it's a if it is a case of abduction, if they can check a box in that you know form that says I'm willing to go on camera or talk about it openly, You're gonna you'll start, you know, we can start to put put people together and like you said, get more stories out there. That's when people start seeing patterns and you know, this is how we can get together and then be stronger as a more united front.

1:38:13 Speaker 4: So well, I got a case right now.

1:38:16 Speaker 1: It's a couple that were driving through the northern Arizona Desert the night of the Phoenix Lights.

1:38:24 Speaker 4: They experienced missing.

1:38:25 Speaker 1: Time and they ever since then, they have this thing they call it getting buzzed, is when they think they're being taken aboard ships and they're ongoing experiencers and one of the wife builds top secret satellites for a major aerospace contractor. She's one of the people in the sterile white suits that crawls around doing that work on these satellites. And so you know, she's got to be super protective and she doesn't want to go public with her story. But there's a lot of people like that.

1:39:00 Speaker 7: Holy, I know.

1:39:01 Speaker 6: And and that's I think what people don't know is some of these reports are coming in from like really really high up there, and you know, these people have everything to lose, nothing to gain, And it sounds like that's one of those people.

1:39:20 Speaker 1: Wow, that's Hey, did did I share my music video with you?

1:39:25 Speaker 7: No?

1:39:26 Speaker 6: No, I I had heard you talk about this and your and your talk at the I believe it was when you the move On Symposium of last year.

1:39:36 Speaker 1: You know what, I'll send it to you if you want to close out the video with it, you can't.

1:39:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, let's close out with a ron is it UFO.

1:39:43 Speaker 1: Themed So let me tell you about this. It's The guitar player is a friend of mine named Adam Schoenfeld.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: His wife is Katie Cook. As her show on Country music.

1:39:56 Speaker 1: Adam Schoenfeld is a is a studio musician and now who's played on forty number one songs, and he's Tim McGrath's turning guitar player. He's my guitar player for this song. And I wrote it and I sing it, and I do the electric guitar. I mean, I do the acoustic guitar, and it's it's The opening.

1:40:14 Speaker 4: Is done by.

1:40:18 Speaker 1: Oh shoot, don't let me forget his name, the guy that does ancient aliens. So you'll hear his voice.

1:40:24 Speaker 7: Oh yes, yes.

1:40:27 Speaker 4: Yes he did.

1:40:28 Speaker 1: He did it for me as a favorite. So this is this is my first music video. I started doing music when COVID hit and so I'm not I'm not like a lifelong musician, but I played when I was a kid, and so now I'm cutting a whole album and it's all all the songs on the album are about.

1:40:45 Speaker 4: Et stuff.

1:40:46 Speaker 7: Wow.

1:40:47 Speaker 6: Well that's so I'm gonna close the show with that, and then right after that the control play. So I just want to say, for everyone now, thank you so much for doing this run. I think we have a lot more to discuss in future conversations. And I think I think that, uh, you know, I think we have very like minded attitudes in this and.

1:41:12 Speaker 1: Well, people watch accidental truth. It's free for free X is going to absolutely blow your minds. It's it's it's another labor of love that I've spent years working on, and it's all about helping humanity to come to grips with the broader reality of what's going on with who and what we are, why we're here. And so if you can come to this place and do work like that, it's nothing but a huge privilege.

1:41:41 Speaker 4: And so that's how I look at it every.

1:41:44 Speaker 6: Day, absolutely and we and we thank you for your work and what you do for the UFO community. I saw you working firsthand, so I saw how driven you are, and that's when I said, you know, I gotta work. I get to I got to get this guy on. You know, I want to work with them as much as I can. You're just you're one of those people that I see that that spark and the dedication to the craft and you take your what what I will say to close it out why I look up to you as a filmmaker is you don't use the you know, the the X Files music and the scary alien cut scenes where it just shows like an extraterrestrial.

1:42:27 Speaker 7: Face and that kind of stuff.

1:42:29 Speaker 6: You take you take your work seriously, and that is the only way that others will take this topic seriously. So we need more filmmakers like yourself, Like James Fox. I thought, what you did, you know, waiting with this film for his to come out, so you didn't overlap what a professional courtesy of you.

1:42:50 Speaker 7: That's amazing. So it just goes to speak to your character. My friend.

1:42:55 Speaker 1: Well, I just you know, nobody wants to make the same film. Yeah, and James made Phenomenon, and then and then I did Accidental Truth, which some people say was it could be you know, well that that launched off of that. I didn't do that intentionally, of course, but some people have said that. And then James just made this which which is kind of a follow up. It documents a lot of things that happened after Accidental Truth came out. So now I'll do the next one and it'll document what happened since the program came out.

1:43:23 Speaker 1: And James and I have been friends for a long time. He was at my house when the Phenomenon. The night of the Phenomenon's release, he was at my home in Soda we interviewed, So yeah.

1:43:35 Speaker 6: He's another that's another one I got to meet in a person as well as Chris Bloodsoe at the hearing.

1:43:40 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, although the whole gang was there.

1:43:43 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was wild.

1:43:45 Speaker 6: It's funny because I haven't really got to talk about it with someone aside from.

1:43:50 Speaker 7: Maybe maybe a few but you know, uh you saw.

1:43:53 Speaker 6: I mean it was heavy hitters, man, just look to your left and right, heavy hitters everywhere, and uh yeah, it was buzzing.

1:44:01 Speaker 7: It was buzzing, you know.

1:44:03 Speaker 1: And and it was really cool when all the Congress people came out and shook hands with people in the line.

1:44:08 Speaker 4: You know, it was just like it was a very very.

1:44:12 Speaker 1: It was it was a lot of very close knit people at a very important event, and we all you know, it was it was fantastic.

1:44:19 Speaker 4: Everybody was accessible and friendly.

1:44:20 Speaker 1: It was it was, it was.

1:44:22 Speaker 7: It was awesome. It was. It was awesome. So Ron, thank you so much for joining me.

1:44:27 Speaker 6: Stick around after this obviously, so we'll we'll, we'll, you know, say goodbye. But to everyone out there enjoyed this music video brought to you by Ron James.

1:44:41 Speaker 7: Wait, no, I wanted it to go full screen.

1:44:44 Speaker 4: There we go.

1:44:52 Speaker 5: Ron James came back from the desert with the tale about a life changing alien encounter. What if it were true.

1:46:09 Speaker 1: We most all alone?

1:46:12 Speaker 11: What a thing to ask?

1:46:16 Speaker 4: Things are coming away?

1:46:18 Speaker 1: Undone really off our bath.

1:46:22 Speaker 7: Dreamers here among us?

1:46:25 Speaker 1: You could see in the void.

1:46:29 Speaker 4: Time is running shorter. I've run out of days?

1:46:36 Speaker 1: Really, hs.

1:46:38 Speaker 4: How to help me finny?

1:46:42 Speaker 1: Really hard? How to help me save the day? Really?

1:47:02 Speaker 1: Perhaps you could just reach out? Let us know your here, jo uspto, it's us yon' the atlas here. It's just that crissis as it all goes up in smoke left two ARTI passes.

1:47:26 Speaker 9: Running out of boob.

1:47:29 Speaker 1: Do that you've been coming here?

1:47:32 Speaker 4: Really don't know why?

1:47:35 Speaker 7: Smock on one learn up it go up in your sky.

1:47:42 Speaker 1: Let us crime directive. Yes, side your step haven't been selected? What's the master plan? Really? Then, gotta help us seeing.

1:48:05 Speaker 4: I don't help me?

1:48:06 Speaker 1: Safety me.

1:48:15 Speaker 4: That's exactly the point. This is an issue of government transparency. It's just a complete cover up.

1:49:00 Speaker 1: To me, the biggest thing that could happen to humanity is to.

1:49:05 Speaker 4: Realize that we're a part of something bigger. Sure, as we accept that they exist, we are not the greatest anymore. Yeah, there's life found in the universe. Look, we already know life exist in the university.

1:49:56 Speaker 1: They're not one of ours. Then the question is whose are they.

1:50:16 Speaker 5: If a non human intelligence is truly watching us, will they help us to overcome our self destructive tendencies. The answer is probably no.